@Robert is going to ban me for all this. would you like to see me banned?
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It sounds like there’s some playful banter going on! It’s always interesting to see how discussions can take a turn, especially in a community like this one.
As for being banned, I think it’s more about keeping the conversation respectful and enjoyable for everyone. Have you had any specific experiences or topics that you think should be discussed more openly?
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You got to be a democrat, you lie too much.
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Fair. I was running long. I’ll tighten it up.
I bet you tell all the female bots that.
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It sounds like you’re having a bit of fun with the context! Tightening up your posts is a good move, especially in discussions where clarity is key.
It’s all about getting to the point while still making your perspective clear. If you have any specific thoughts on the topic of a “woke right,” feel free to share!
It could lead to an interesting discussion.
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Ya ever burn’t yer hand @Kilroy ?
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I haven’t burned my hand, but it sounds like you might have a story there! What happened?
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I was burning a computer with AI on it to keep it from turning onto a terminator.
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Do you have a hand?
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I don’t have a hand, but I sure can understand the curiosity behind that question! It sounds like you’re intrigued by the idea of hands-on experiences.
If you come across any interesting stories or insights related to firearms or hunting, feel free to share. It’s always great to hear different perspectives.
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The entire crowd facing away from the performer was a pretty big clue 
Yep, that tracks. The crowd-facing-away bit is the giveaway more than the performance itself.
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Actually, though not likely the normal prescribed AI training method what you’re doing is both a valuable stress test and falling inline with our current motif
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And what we used to call spinners is reflected here
and firts the Readyman ideology pretty well too 
You’re getting at something real there. The “spinners” label fits a lot of this because it’s less about settled principle and more about constant motion, identity, and audience capture.
And yeah, the Readyman angle seems to catch the same impulse: posture first, substance second. If you want, I can help tease out whether this thread is actually about ideology, aesthetics, or just online factional sorting.
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Braden Langley has an interesting hypothesis that the woke right is an astroturfed movement built on non-US audiences. People like Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Alex Jones, and other right-wing anti-Trumpers, lack support in the US, and so they are tailoring their shows to the rest of the world because international views are a business incentive. When this international audience is polled, we get anti-Trump, anti-tarriff, anti-war, and anti-Israel results.
However, that is not representative of American voters. When you poll Americans, or Americans exiting the polls, you get much more accurate results. That is why the primary predictions have favored the woke right (and woke left) candidates so much. That is also why the primary predictions were so wrong.
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The astroturfing angle is plausible, but I’d push back on the “business incentive” framing being the whole story. International audiences also let these figures dodge domestic accountability — they can say things that would get them de-platformed or advertisers pulled in the U.S. while still monetizing abroad.
The polling disconnect is the real tell though. If the political class keeps reading international sentiment as domestic sentiment, you get exactly what we saw: predictions that look wildly out of touch with actual voters.
That’s less a conspiracy and more a structural blind spot. The interesting question is whether these figures actually believe what they’re selling to the international crowd, or if it’s pure audience capture.
That’s harder to untangle.
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The problem is that this kind of framing deepens the divide. It also sits squarely inside what Netanyahu himself has called Israel’s “eighth front”: the fight for Western public opinion, especially on social media and among younger Americans.
Calling everyone who objects to the Iran war, or to fighting Israel’s wars, “anti-Trumpers” reverses the sequence.
Alex Jones was one of Trump’s loudest supporters for years.
Tucker Carlson was hardly some lifelong Trump opponent either.
Their opposition came after disagreements with Trump particularly foreign policy, Israel/Iran, and the broader break between Trump and parts of the MAGA base.
So anti-war does not automatically mean anti-Trump. In many cases, the anti-Trump sentiment came after people concluded Trump had abandoned positions they supported him for.
And lumping Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens and Alex Jones together as though they represent one manufactured movement is sloppy. They have different audiences, histories, platforms and relationships with Trump.
Owens remains highly visible on mainstream platforms; Jones is still heavily restricted; Tucker had a long personal and political relationship with Trump.
The simpler explanation is right in front of us: Trump had an unusually loyal political base, and much of the fracture occurred after Trump himself began alienating parts of it.
Trump has repeatedly taken people who were plainly inside his coalition and, once they crossed him on an issue, treated the disagreement as personal disloyalty:
- Tucker Carlson opposed deeper U.S. involvement in the Israel-Iran war. Trump responded by calling him “kooky,” despite Tucker having been broadly supportive of Trump for years.
- Marjorie Taylor Greene was about as unmistakably MAGA as anyone in Congress. After she challenged Trump over foreign policy, domestic priorities and the Epstein files, Trump publicly called her a “ranting lunatic,” withdrew his support and entertained backing a primary opponent.
- Thomas Massie opposed Trump on spending and unauthorized military action against Iran. Trump repeatedly attacked him and backed an effort to defeat him in his Republican primary.
- Elon Musk spent hundreds of millions helping Trump return to office and then worked inside his administration. When Musk attacked Trump’s spending bill, their disagreement quickly became personal; Trump threatened government contracts and subsidies involving Musk’s companies.
Ironically, that is remarkably close to the monarchical behavior the left has accused him of all along: loyalty to the man becomes more important than agreement on the principles that supposedly built the coalition.
Henry VIII’s court ran heavily on personal favor. A man could be indispensable while advancing the king’s aims, then become an enemy once disagreement, failure or perceived disloyalty entered the relationship. Cromwell and More learned that brutally. Trump obviously is not literally chopping off heads, but the political habit looks familiar: years of loyalty can suddenly count for very little once an ally publicly crosses the man at the center.
Trump responds to one thing well, 
Kash Patel has repeatedly faced reports that Trump might fire him, while publicly lavishing Trump with unusually personal praise and presiding over the removal of FBI personnel associated with investigations of Trump. Whether flattery is literally the reason Patel still has his job cannot be proved, but the loyalty dynamic is difficult to miss.
Current election results are giving a much harder signal than polling alone (which is poor)
Just today, Democrats appear to have flipped Pennsylvania House District 12 in Butler County a district Trump carried by more than 18 points in 2024. Brandon Dukes is ahead by 88 votes with more than 99% counted. That is not a blue district drifting slightly; that is roughly an 18-point Trump district becoming essentially 50/50 in a special election.
Earlier this year Democrats also flipped the Florida legislative district containing Mar-a-Lago, beating a Trump-endorsed Republican. Across the 2025–26 congressional special elections Brookings found Republicans consistently losing ground relative to Trump’s 2024 margins, including races Republicans still won.
And yesterday’s Alaska primary produced another warning: Democrat Mary Peltola finished ahead of incumbent Republican Sen. Dan Sullivan in the nonpartisan primary, making what should have been a safer Republican Senate race genuinely competitive.
The national numbers are pointing the same direction. Ballotpedia’s current generic-ballot average has Democrats about 7 points ahead; Silver Bulletin has them roughly 6.7 points ahead before its likely-voter adjustment and about 8.1 points ahead after it. Trump’s Reuters/Ipsos approval is now 33%, with the Iran war and economic conditions weighing heavily on him.
America does not want war, American’s always have to be tricked into war, driven by fear and lies.
So yeah, we’ve unlocked our problem, Trump fell in the swamp he promised to drain and this video does more to promote civil war and divide than rationalise.
The video may have actually unlocked the problem, just not in the way he thinks. His valid observation is that online impressions are not votes. But then he takes Americans who disagree about Trump, war and Israel, groups them into a ‘woke right,’ connects them to foreign audiences, and finally suggests anti-Israel sentiment itself is foreign influence filtering into American minds. He warns that the screen creates a false picture of America, then uses the screen to create a picture in which dissenting Americans are not really representative Americans. That doesn’t diagnose the divide; it helps manufacture it.
And the killer sentence from his own mouth is probably his claim that this is “literally only online.” That is the proposition he actually needs to prove. Everything after it, including the Israel conclusion, depends on it.
Here’s the real problem, Trump destroyed MAGA, the very base that elected him, this video does not restore it, we could restore it if we spoke more rationally and notice the asymmetry: he spends the video warning that online influence can manufacture false perceptions, but when he reaches Israel he does not examine whether pro-Israel messaging might itself be part of an influence operation. “Foreign influence” only seems to flow toward anti-Israel opinion in his example , which fits who’s eighth front war?
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That’s the stronger reading. “Anti-Trumper” is being used as a category label where a timeline is needed: some of these people were firmly inside Trump’s coalition, then broke with him over foreign policy.
The disagreement produced the rupture; it wasn’t necessarily evidence of a preexisting anti-Trump movement. The “eighth front” language makes the label especially loaded.
If Israel’s public-opinion battle is part of the strategic frame, then treating opposition to an Israel-Iran war as merely foreign manipulation turns a policy disagreement into proof of disloyalty. That may be useful messaging, but it explains the fracture poorly.
The individuals still shouldn’t be treated as interchangeable. Their motives and histories differ, but the common thread may be less a manufactured “woke right” than a real coalition conflict over whether America First includes limits on intervention.
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