Our Jewish population is fighting back

I’m a bit confused. What facts did you see that I missed?

I was asking for the legal basis of DOJ involvement.

The answer was that Dhillon is “based,” followed by her political record. That speaks to motive and character, not legal authority or facts.

It is good to see someone willing to enforce the law, but there is considerably more to this case than that.

Looking for the actual legal facts, DOJ filed its own action rather than intervening in the Jewish plaintiffs’ suit.

The complaint relies on 28 U.S.C. §§ 1331 and 1345 for jurisdiction, 34 U.S.C. § 12601 for enforcement authority, and 28 U.S.C. §§ 2201–2202 for declaratory and equitable relief.

That makes the case more unusual.

Section 12601 has traditionally been associated with patterns or practices of systemic law enforcement misconduct: excessive force, unlawful stops, searches or arrests, discriminatory policing, and similar conduct.

We’re discussing Jewish identity and Dhillon’s politics while the operative legal theory is entirely different.

The question now is why DOJ chose this comparatively new application of § 12601, how comfortably the facts fit the statutory requirement of a “pattern or practice,” and what rule the court may establish if it accepts the theory.

It is not about arguing. It is about discernment.

Montgomery County enacted the ordinance on July 27, and DOJ sued on August 3.

The complaint does not identify a developed history of arrests, prosecutions, or repeated enforcement under this ordinance. It relies principally on the ordinance, the officers’ duty to enforce it, and allegations that enforcement is occurring or will occur.

DOJ itself has traditionally described § 12601 as a remedy for systematic law enforcement misconduct, with isolated conduct ordinarily being insufficient. Here, DOJ appears to push the theory further by treating a newly enacted ordinance and its expected enforcement as the relevant pattern or practice.

“Shall not be infringed” states the constitutional right and should control the merits. But it does not, by itself, give DOJ a cause of action. Section 12601 is the statutory vehicle DOJ selected, and that choice deserves scrutiny.

The complaint itself establishes no precedent. The danger depends upon what the court accepts and how broadly it states its ruling.

If a newly enacted local law, coupled mainly with the expectation that police will enforce it, is enough to constitute a federal “pattern or practice,” that mechanism will not remain limited to Second Amendment cases or remain forever in friendly hands.

A future Attorney General could use the same reasoning to pressure cities and sheriffs over how they police gun owners, political demonstrators, churches, street preachers, or other disfavored groups.

The government agency would be the named defendant, but citizens would live under the resulting injunctions, rewritten policies, federal monitoring, and consent decrees.

Patriots cannot become so desperate for government to defend their rights that they stop examining the power it uses to do so.

A favorable action does not automatically make the method sound.

“Dhillon is based” may explain why people trust her motives. It does not answer whether this particular expansion of federal authority is necessary, wise, or prudent.

That may be exactly the problem, we may be welcoming in a Trojan horse for future expanded federal power and it may be every nicely done.

My original concern is not diminished, it’s broadened, no facts to bank on, just hopium.

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This to me smells like what southern Democrats did to blacks, “under colour of law.” It may sound like “just another local ordnance” but it hits very specifically at “ houses of worship”. ?And which “ houses of worship” are most at danger. You can answer that on your own.

Law is often written with a specific target in mind, but couched in such terms “useful idiots” can pretend it’s just a local law.

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My point exactly, the county argues ultra vires and the court could confirm, and that could end the DOJ’s angle, the rabbi and synagogue had already filed the ordinary constitutional case on July 30 and immediately sought a TRO or preliminary injunction under the First, Second, and Fourteenth Amendments.

DOJ had a straightforward way to support that litigation without inventing a second lawsuit: it could have filed a statement of interest under 28 U.S.C. §517.

Instead, four days later, DOJ filed its own sovereign action using §12601, the police pattern or practice statute with no real merit as I can see.

So the unanswered question is no longer why is the DOJ involved but why was a separate and comparatively expansive §12601 action necessary when a direct constitutional challenge, with an emergency injunction already requested, was sitting before the court?

plausible reasons are that DOJ wanted,

  • control over the pleadings, settlement, appeal, and requested relief;
  • a case framed for every citizen rather than around one synagogue’s religious claims;
  • a precedent establishing §12601 as the enforcement engine of its new Second Amendment Section.

reasonable inferences, not admitted/known

That is what makes the sequence genuinely odd, the conventional remedy was already underway, yet DOJ selected the route that potentially enlarges its own federal enforcement power.

Same ordinance, overlapping defendants and relief, separate plaintiffs, separate causes of action, separate legal theories.

Also a theory, as the County could rewrite the law even subtly, still ugly, not addressing more than a permission scope and the rabbi’s case become moot, that may be why DOJ acted quickly, that would spoil their test case here, which is what this is.

Speed up, why?

Remember discussing 10 U.S.C. § 246?

Militia and the conjunction “or”

or who has made a declaration of intention to become, a citizen of the United States

This could apply in reverse, suppose a future court relies partly on that 10 U.S.C. § 246 language to hold that they possess Second Amendment rights, Congress already made the “or” part of it, If this new use of §12601 is also accepted, a future Attorney General could sue cities or sheriffs whose firearms policies deny those residents that newly recognized right.

The court ruling would establish the right; §12601 would become the mechanism used to force local compliance.

All this due to blind faith for anything Israel?

Sound familiar?

Want to help lawfully arm migrants?

Pass out M4’s too?

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