Islam - Israel & NYC

What do these three have in common?

The Mayoral Democratic contender for NYC

is using AI video of the genocide in Gaza to enrage people so they vote for him

IF,

If you can wrap your head around the how, WAR in the name of RELIGION , go next to the why

What affect can a Mayor have in NYC with respect to US opinion on Israel?

The mayor is the chief executive officer, centralizing executive power

i.e. NYC Mayor is on par with the US president concerning jurisdictional powers and the likelihood of Mamdani being elected is quit high, if he does this now, whats to be expected from him after being seated?

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Even if you consider Israel irrelevant to the US, Mamdani is bad for New York and the US.

He is a radical and a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), endorsed by Bernie Sanders and AOC. His platform includes making the city pay for free buses, government-controlled grocery stores, government-controlled child care, increased safety regulations, increasing the minimum wage to $30, and increased corporate taxes. He tweeted #DefundTheNYPD in 2020 and opposes bail and incarceration.

These authoritarian, pro-crime policies can only mean bad news when additionally combined with the fact that he is a Muslim in a very political way, when most of NYC is not. Mamdani would pave the way to religious discrimination and violence targeting Christians, Jews and eventually atheists as well once they cease to be useful to Islamic interests.

For example, Mamdani refused to denounce the slogan “Globalize the Intifada,” referring to the exportation of Palestinian terrorism to the United States and the world. When still a college student, Mamdani co-founded a chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine, which is one of the primary instigators of the violent campus takeovers we have been seeing since October 11, 2023. Due to the crimes which SJP and its partner organizations incited and defended, their clubs are being ostracized and defunded by universities like UW-Madison, UCLA, Yale (Yalies4Palestine is SJP), and Barnard College (mostly because the Trump administration is, thank G.d, threatening to defund the schools over Title VI civil rights violations perpetrated by these clubs, which the universities effectively protected and allowed to proceed). Notably, Mamdani’s Muslim father is a professor of anthropology, political science, and African studies at Columbia University. These departments are hotbeds of anti-Western, anti-American, racist and antisemitic rhetoric across academia and are currently being investigated by the Trump administration at Columbia. It appears that to the Mamdanis, violent campus rhetoric is a family business.

You don’t have to imagine what would happen in NYC if Mamdani became mayor with this kind of personal history; we saw it already when BLM rioted in 2020. Many of the same activists merely reprised their roles on campus.

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You never hear about Hindus in politics. But NYT just did this piece on Hindu opposition to Mamdani in NYC.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/01/world/asia/mamdani-india-hindu-muslims-modi-new-york-mayor.html

Apparently Mamdani accused Indian PM Modi of being a war criminal for actions against Muslims over there. The Hindus for their part say that Mamdani would oppress them over religion, and say he uses “demonizing rhetoric” against them.

As a Jew, I of course disagree with them both on religion. But between the Hindus and Muslims, looking at policies and rhetoric today, I only consider the latter to be a significant security risk to Jews. That’s why I and other religious Jews are worried about Mamdani, and it seems we agree security-wise with the Hindus.

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Does that teach us more about Hindus…

or Politicians?

:thinking:

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?How about substituting muslims for politicians. Politicians exist everywhere. Muslims are a unique set onto themselves.

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Can you elaborate?

And when you say Muslim do you intent to speak on Islam?

Islamism places earthly authority between the individual and God: the state declares what God commands, converts that declaration into law, and compels obedience through social, civil, or criminal punishment.

The individual who chooses another faith or no faith, is treated not as exercising free will, but as an apostate: a religious offender and political defector who may be compelled to recant, imprisoned, stripped of civil rights, or, under the strict classical rule, put to death.

Recent individual examples:

  1. January 18, 1985 — Khartoum North, Sudan: Islamic reformer Mahmoud Mohammed Taha was hanged for apostasy after opposing the government’s enforcement of sharia. He refused to repent; four followers sentenced alongside him recanted and were pardoned.
  2. December 3, 1990 — Mashhad, Iran: Protestant pastor Hossein Soodmand, who had converted from Islam to Christianity, was hanged after conviction for apostasy.
  3. March 2006 — Kabul, Afghanistan: Abdul Rahman was detained and tried for converting from Islam to Christianity. He refused demands that he recant and faced a possible death sentence under the court’s application of sharia. The case was eventually dismissed on competency grounds, and he left Afghanistan.
  4. May 30, 2007 — Putrajaya, Malaysia: The Federal Court refused Lina Joy permission to remove “Islam” from her national identity record after her conversion to Christianity. Because she remained legally classified as Muslim, she could not enter a civil marriage with her Christian fiancé without obtaining approval from a sharia court.
  5. September 2011 — Rasht, Gilan Province, Iran: Christian pastor Youcef Nadarkhani was brought before a court repeatedly and ordered to recant Christianity or face execution for apostasy. He refused. His death sentence was ultimately rescinded in September 2012 after years of imprisonment.
  6. May 15, 2014 — Khartoum, Sudan: Meriam Yahia Ibrahim Ishag was sentenced to death by hanging after refusing to recant Christianity. Because the state treated her as Muslim, it also refused to recognize her marriage to a Christian and sentenced her to 100 lashes for “adultery.” The judgment was later overturned; Sudan repealed its apostasy law in 2020.
  7. December 24, 2014 — Nouadhibou, Mauritania: Blogger Mohamed Cheikh Ould Mkhaitir was sentenced to death for apostasy and insulting Muhammad after publishing criticism of religious justifications for caste discrimination. The sentence was reduced in 2017, but he remained detained until July 2019—more than five years after his arrest.
  8. January 2, 2018 — Sana’a, Yemen: A Houthi-controlled court sentenced Bahá’í Hamid bin Haydara to death on charges including apostasy and attempting to convert Muslims. An appeals court reaffirmed the sentence in 2020. He and five other Bahá’ís were later released and exiled from Yemen in July 2020.

Recent Islamist movements that captured or remade the state itself, not isolated prosecutions.

  • 1979 — Iran: The Islamic Revolution overthrew the monarchy and replaced it with the Islamic Republic. The new constitution placed ultimate authority in a religious jurist, made Islamic law the controlling standard, and created clerical institutions capable of overruling elected government. This is the clearest modern example of a nation becoming an Islamist state through revolution.
  • July 5, 1977–1988 — Pakistan: General Zia-ul-Haq seized power by military coup and systematically Islamized the existing state. His regime introduced the Hudood laws, compulsory religious taxation, the Federal Shariat Court, and expanded blasphemy provisions—making state law answer increasingly to officially interpreted Islam. This was Islamization imposed from above rather than a popular religious revolution.
  • June 30, 1989 — Sudan: Omar al-Bashir’s military coup, backed by figures tied to the National Islamic Front, removed the elected government. Political parties were banned, Islamist control was consolidated, and law, finance, education, and government were reordered according to the regime’s interpretation of Islam.
  • September 27, 1996 — Kabul, Afghanistan: The Taliban captured the capital, displaced the existing government, and established the Islamic Emirate. They claimed authority to regulate the entire population through their interpretation of Islamic law, imposing severe restrictions particularly upon women, religious minorities, speech, dress, education, and public conduct.
  • August 15, 2021 — Afghanistan: The Taliban again captured Kabul after the collapse of the republic and restored their Islamic Emirate. The constitutional state was displaced by government through Taliban decrees presented as binding Islamic commands, with political opposition and independent public choice largely eliminated.

Historical major examples are:

  • 632–661 — Syria, Palestine, Egypt, Iraq, and Persia: Armies of the first caliphate took Syria, Palestine, and Egypt from the Christian Byzantine Empire and Iraq and Iran from the Zoroastrian Sasanian Empire. The Sasanian state was completely destroyed; Byzantium permanently lost most of its wealthy southern and eastern provinces.
  • 661–750 — From the Atlantic to Central and South Asia: The Umayyad Caliphate expanded across North Africa, nearly all of Iberia, the Middle East, Iran, Central Asia, and Sindh. This was not simply a spreading congregation but an enormous imperial government ruled by a caliph and administered in the name of Islam.
  • 711–718 — Spain and Portugal: Arab and Berber armies crossed from North Africa and placed nearly the entire Iberian Peninsula under Islamic rule within seven years. The population did not instantly become Muslim; political conquest came first, followed by centuries of Islamic government and gradual conversion. Muslim dynasties retained territory in Iberia until Granada fell in 1492.
  • 1071 onward — Christian Byzantine Anatolia: The Byzantine defeat at Manzikert opened much of Anatolia to Turkic Muslim settlement and conquest. Over the following centuries, the central territory of the Christian Eastern Roman Empire was transformed into the political and demographic center of Muslim Turkish states.
  • 1354–1453 — The Balkans and Constantinople: Ottoman forces entered Europe through Gallipoli, defeated Serbian and Bosnian forces at Kosovo in 1389, and progressively absorbed Balkan Christian kingdoms. On May 29, 1453, Mehmed II captured Constantinople, ended the surviving Eastern Roman Empire, and made Christianity’s ancient eastern imperial capital the capital of an Islamic empire.
  • 1453–sixteenth century — Ottoman world empire: Constantinople was not the endpoint. Ottoman conquest extended through most of the Balkans, Anatolia, Syria, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Arabia, and much of the North African coast. By the mid-sixteenth century, Ottoman power reached from Central Europe toward the Indian Ocean.
  • 1206–1526 — Northern India: Turkic and Afghan conquerors established the Delhi Sultanate, placing large parts of the predominantly Hindu and Jain Indian population under Muslim dynastic rule. The first substantial Islamic kingdom in India was proclaimed in 1206 following centuries of raids and invasions.
  • 1526 onward — Mughal India: Babur’s conquest established another Muslim imperial dynasty. Under Akbar, the Mughal Empire expanded over most of northern and central India and ruled an overwhelmingly non-Muslim population. This was imperial Islamic sovereignty without immediate mass conversion of the conquered peoples.

The latest comprehensive national directory documented 235 Muslim elected officials across federal, state, and local government in 2023. The current Congress contains four Muslim members, all in the U.S. House, and none in the Senate; no verified nationwide 2026 total is available

https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-and-jetpac-release-highlights-from-2023-directory-of-muslim-elected-officials

15-Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

Though communism and Islamism bear different labels and derive authority from opposite sources, one from materialist history, the other from divine revelation, their governing form is comparable: each claims an exclusive truth, installs an interpreter class above ordinary political choice, captures the institutions of society, and converts disagreement into disobedience against the entire order.

Where communists and Islamists cooperate against a common order, each expects to use the other. History suggests the side that captures the state first disposes of the other but Islamists have repeatedly benefited from leftist assistance while never accepting secular leftism as a legitimate final authority.

Mamdani argues that an ICC warrant should be honored against Netanyahu, Trump rejects the ICC’s authority when it targets Netanyahu, yet treats Syrian President Ahmed al-Sharaa as a legitimate strategic partner. Al-Sharaa was formerly an al-Qaeda-linked insurgent leader, and HTS forces have been implicated in detention, torture, abuses, and war crimes.

When the lines are blurred to such a degree who suffers?

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Your comments blur the line in and of themselves. Islam is a malignant ideology wrapped in a false sense of religion. It is full of contradictions, immorality, and evil concepts. In many ways islam, socialism, and communism share many common traits, although each denies the others’ legitimacy. Still the parallels are striking.

Your comment, to which I responded, pitted people - Hindus vs politicians. My suggestion was to replace “politicians” with “muslims”. That would continue the people vs people comparison. What you have now done is change the terms of the debate. You went from people to ideologies.

One can almost certainly find communists that are “good people”. They believe, naively, in the principles purported by communism without necessarily agreeing with the more dark parts of a tyranny. They still don’t REALLY represent communism. Similarly, one can undoubtedly find “good muslims”. They, too, are hard to find. Interestingly, the muslim communities here in America have professed peaceful intentioms, yet they consistently and constantly reject repudiating the jihadi statements and fatwahs issued by various islamist “leaders”.

I personally don’t find “The World court” to be much of a compelling authority. It is, IMM, just another attempt to install a world tyranny. I don’t believe America has signed onto the whole world court BS either, so the country is not beholden to any of their silly “rulings”. We continue to be a free nation, not to be dictated by a bunch of Eweropean weenies. We can make or break treaties, greet whomever we wish. If Mandami attempted to arrest Netenyahu, he would (and should) be subject to immediate arrest by Federal marshals on federal charges. All this shows is the timerity of these POS. I would hope the FBI keeps very close watch on him. Indeed, this might b a great time to have the help of the Mossad; they are so good at finding out what the BG’s are planning and doing!

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I had a long reply but to many things and some get neglected, the whole blurred lines thing continues vs made clear.

So I want to highlight your comments on the

As I feel you’ve missed the big picture here.

Nuremberg and Tokyo tribunals → Nuremberg Principles → UN work toward a permanent court → Rome Statute of 1998 → ICC begins operating in 2002.

If you reject the ICC merely because Israel did not consent, how do you accept Nuremberg and Tokyo, where the accused nations did not consent either?

Either solely power and military might dictating world policy only, or moral values and the high ground/right and wrong dictating world policy.

Nuremberg and Tokyo tribunals exist only under one of those two things.

The former is might equals right, I’m bigger and will kick the :poop: out of you if you don’t give me your lunch money or the latter we’re not going to take your :poop: as you unfairly treating the little guy.

Ask yourself, did Germany and Japan accept those courts with simple consent or conquest?

Clearly the latter, but the idea is what framed the ICC, the idea is we don’t need to descend to so a state as we seen in WWII ever again.

Nuremberg tribunal in Europe + Tokyo tribunal in Asia → postwar principles of individual international criminal responsibility → later UN work → Rome Statute → ICC.

Palestine is one of 125 current States Parties to the Rome Statute that formally accepted ICC jurisdiction.

Gaza is covered through Palestine’s membership, just as alleged crimes committed on the territory of any of those other States Parties may fall within ICC territorial jurisdiction.

In comparison our US courts use personal and subject matter jurisdiction, Gaza would be like the latter, Netanyahu may not consent but Gaza is under ICC jurisdiction.

Now pay attention here:

Al-Sharaa’s former al-Qaeda linked movement led the armed offensive that captured Damascus and removed Assad after Israel had severely weakened Assad’s Iranian and Hezbollah support.

You know who Al-Sharaa is right?

Well he was once sought as a war criminal by the US

He’s accredited for overthrowing Assad but the real credit goes to Israel, and now guess how Christians feel?

Again, pay attention, Al-Sharaa

  1. a former al-Qaeda in Iraq associate;
  2. founder and leader of Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda’s Syrian branch;
  3. later leader of Jabhat Fatah al-Sham after publicly renaming the group;
  4. then leader of Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS);
  5. formerly a U.S.-designated global terrorist, subject to a $10 million rewar*, and listed under UN al-Qaeda sanctions.

has been propped into being Syria’s new leader only due to Israel’s support which is really US $upport and which changed his present legal status, not his history…

…backed by Netanyahu

2019: indicted by Israel for corruption
2024: ICC arrest warrant for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity connected to the war in Gaza.

The goal is bring down the US, the method in part destroy the petro dollar, do you not know what BRICS block is about?

https://www.brics2026.gov.in/

Destroy the petro dollar one facet, destroy creditability yet another, destroy the image of America as John Wayne and of western moral values.

Do you not yet see the deception, the edge of oblivion, the writing on the wall?

MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN?

the crows be pickin at your flesh
and ya got no control of the sitiation

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I don’t go where you go.

Your argument apparently is that Germany & Japan were immoral, so we convened the trials and executed some of the miscreants. But then ?why didn’t we arrest and execute Stalin & Mao. Surely they did at least as much damage as Hitler and Tojo.

You ascribe to Israel the blame for Al-Sharaa being in power in Syria. I don’t think Israel intended Al-Sharaa to be in power as much as they fought an enemy (Bashar) and caused him to fall. What arose was not what Israel would have wanted, but it is what it is. What is happening in Persia is similar. We wish there would be a democratic government that would take over from the mullahs but the people THERE don’t seem to want that, else they would have risen up. So we are at the point of systematically if incrementally reducing their overall abilities. So long as they continue to act in a way that is inimical to us, we will continue to degrade their ability to do so.

Nuremberg & Tokyo were not some great moral or religious expression. They were the righteous indignation of nations that found the enemy behavior unconscionable. Note we fought (goodness knows why) an earlier world war There we merely won, and England & France ended up carving up the world to what we see mostly around the world - certainly in the Mideast. But WE did NOT hold any tribunals. The enemy had fought acceptably if not totally nicely. (I am still amazed that Germany made a serious Hague convention complaint about us using shotguns - this from the country that gave us population attacks, gas warfare, and the machine gun!)

Patton was right - we should have gone on and reduced Russia to a non-threat. But the politics interfered with clear vision of national interest and threat. We didn’t do enough to defeat Mao, but I don’t think we understood how guerrilla warfare was properly done then. It took rediscovery of an OLD Marine Corps pamphlet describing guerrilla combat in the Central American “republics” some time after the end of RVN, to RE-learn how to fight guerrillas. Too many WWII & Korea vets took us into RVN. We won militarily but forgot Clausewitz‘s maxims - “war is an extension of foreign policy.”

I simply do not accept much of anything the UN has done as legitimate. MOSTLY they have been a loud and obnoxious cabal of nasties voicing their hatreds and arrogance. SOMETIMES they have been a “useful idiot” from time to time, to allow an alternate way to blow off steam. But as for any serious and useful principles - fu-ged-aboud-it!

ps: I like your shorter answers. They seem more to the point and circumspect.

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Fair enough, you don’t do carnival’s, but I don’t offer you an

so much as just

pointing shit out to you, we in this together

pointing at the cliff saying we’re already over the edge and still discussing whether the warning sign had legal authority or not as if it matters whether if anyone at all or even who might have appointed Al-Sharaa …

You don’t have too, nor do you have to accept people know when they help a cause they fight by actually fighting the cause, fighting an illusion

nets nothing but wasted energy

which wears you out with confusion

It helps to go by yourself, and to view yourself as a sinner who needs to and must repent, that the church is not meant to be a showcase for saints but a hospital for sinners.

How do you think the one world government comes about anyhow?

Your adversary is subtle, very, very, very subtle, and he deceiveth the whole world

Mark Twain said it right, easier to fool than convince of having been fooled.

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It shouldn’t be surprising that the UN acted on the principle of might makes right and tyranny of the majority. From the beginning, that’s how it was structured. When it was convenient, they did one thing, and when something else was convenient, they did that.

The UN has no authority to define morality - that is G.d’s domain. And the UN’s legal authority extends only as far as nations will respect it. International law is essentially a handshake, which nations will sometimes ignore, if they think they can get away with it.

I think that back when more national delegates were believers, they took oaths, testimony and agreements more seriously. Thus they occasionally got the right answer. Since then, the rot in the UN’s foundation has spread. Now they usurp the voice of “science” and sanctify bald lies and empty promises as gospel. Nations who violate human rights now sit in the councils which should have prosecuted them, and silence their victims.

The US is right to call for the dismantling of the ICC, and to defund and withdraw from the WHO, UNHRC and the UNRWA. May G.d lead the US and the world back to the truth.

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That’s an awesome statement or prayer if you cite it as such, but I must ask what truth?

Is this your truth

???

The truth that no court may question Netanyahu? Or the truth that no man, nation, ally, court, or president gets to hide from moral accounting?

The military industrial complex just took a HUGE deep breath of life, NDAA Section 219 is not merely aid; it is integration. It gives contractors, labs, cyber firms, AI firms, weapons developers, and policy shops a permanent lane through Israel into the U.S. defense system. That is why “truth” cannot mean shielding Netanyahu or Israel from scrutiny. Truth means asking who profits, who bleeds, and why American law is being written to make another nation’s wars inseparable from our own.

That is why the ICC exists, to combat that by international agreement, an agreement the US and Israel are absent from… why? To retain the right of

??

Think on it, you got it 180* in that respect, The U.S. was one of the principal architects of the UN system and one of the five permanent members of the Security Council, holding veto power from the beginning…but not with the ICC?

Or just when the ICC targets Netanyahu?

The US and Israel both signed, not ratified, then withdrew, hell, withdraw the US completely out of the UN if we’re going to withdraw anything, not withdraw holding individuals account the same as both Nuremberg and Tokyo tribunals did which we accept which is the ICC, the ICJ does the same between states, its all seated in the Hauge, irony of which in the Truman show, a call that got dropped

Ummm, you’re speaking of the US, right?

If not why not?

I don’t know where you live but all I seen was tyranny during covid and it all came down right from where?

Sure wasn’t the UN or ICC making life hell here in the US right?

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Many worse people should have been questioned before Netanyahu, if national sovereignty concerns are to be set aside, like Ali Khamenei, Kim Jong Un, Yahya Sinwar, Anthony Fauci, Xi Jingping, Min Aung Hlaing and Hassan Nasrallah. But only Jews make the news.

Over 10 years, UN General Assembly has made 173 resolutions against Israel. Against all other nations? 80. The UN Human Rights Council is similarly lopsided, with 112 resolutions against Israel, versus 45 against Syria, 16 against Iran, 11 against Russia, and 4 against Venezuela. For a true multiparty elected government operating under capitalism, fighting for its existence against actually theocratic, totalitarian regimes and multilaterally-recognized terrorist organizations, this is ridiculous.

It wasn’t just Americans living through that hell, either. Europe, the Chinese and the Aussies got it real bad, too. Our national governments were all aligned with the WHO under Tedros, who was a Chicom puppet.

Indeed, I am including the US government under Biden in that criticism. He appointed Fauci as the US delegate to the WHO. He signed [supposedly] EOs halting the US withdrawal from the WHO.

Just because the US architects something doesn’t mean it is right. (ATF.) The existence of permanent members with veto power on the Security Council just sounds fishy. And the other nations with veto power don’t necessarily deserve to be there: China, France, Russia, the UK. Sure, they played some role in WWII, but how is that relevant for deciding international conflicts today, more than 80 years later? And the non-permanent members are questionable too; should they be calling the shots? The Democratic Republic of the Congo? Pakistan? Somalia?

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No, stop there, who has done more damage to the US that Netanyahu?

Until you realize what is currently happening, and that baring two unlikely hurtles, Netanyahu has achieved what the others you mention could not even dream of achieving.

And do you not also realize where you live now and how you got here?

What do you think Shermans march to the sea was?

That’s cute, really, I did chuckle, but Jews are made victims by Netanyahu, and the more you are made victims the more likely you are to pool, to go to Israel, be fooled to believe the boogeyman will get you

That’s an insane question.

The Chinese have been stealing American research and IP for decades. They executed US agents as spies. They have exploited third-world status for US taxpayer-subsidized shipping and exploited forced labor in their factories to undercut and destroy American industry. They have infiltrated our universities and bribed them for favored admissions for Chinese students, and from there infiltrated Big Tech. They have been threatening our allies in the Pacific while holding a near monopoly on rare earth minerals critical to American and NATO defense and industry. They sent shipments of illegal fentanyl and fentanyl precursor chemicals which have killed thousands of Americans. They established Chinese police stations in NYC to continue persecuting dissidents who hoped to find safety from the Chinese communists in America. And the Chinese allowed COVID to escape from a CCP military-controlled biolab, taking offline the Wuhan lab’s reckless research into bat coronaviruses.

Iran is refusing to give up its nuclear threat against the US. It continues to support the Houthi terrorists in Yemen who are firing missiles at US targets. The IRGC is of course, an internationally-recognized terror organization responsible for the deaths of hundreds of US service members in previous conflicts, as well as civilians across the world. Recently an IRGC asset was charged with plotting to assassinate President Trump. Iran also funds Hezbollah, which has similarly killed hundreds of Americans and taken many Americans hostage. Iran also funded and helped plan the rapacious and indiscriminate Oct. 7 attacks, which killed 46 and kidnapped at least 12 Americans. The Iranian military continues to violate ceasefires in ongoing attacks against the US in the current conflict. Ever since the inception of the current Iranian regime, it has called for “Death to America.”

In contrast, Israel has never intentionally fought the US.[1] Rather, Israel has consistently provided the US unique and actionable intelligence and even fought alongside the US in the current Iran conflict; they helped rescue US airmen downed over Iran this year. Aside from their ongoing work in the Strait of Hormuz which is coordinated with the US, Israel has historically defended freedom of international shipping in the Suez Canal, upon which it also depends; this existential interest in the right of innocent passage and disruption of funding for international terrorism continues today, in alignment with US interests. Pew says that Israelis viewed the US more positively than any other nation polled in the world at 87% positive in 2023,[2] aside from Poland.[3] For decades, Israel has shared information about enemy military tech which the Arabs built or bought and used against them. Much of the intelligence Israel shared with the US remains classified today, and this aided planning for various US actions in the Middle East, such as Desert Storm. Israel has provided counterterror training to our military and police, and paid us for jointly-developed defense systems and munitions. It leads the world in counter-drone defense research, which it shares with us. Israel’s deep familiarity with the region’s cultures and visual and linguistic ability to blend in among the Arabs has also been a unique asset to the US.

Brutal, yet not out-of-line with the history of warfare up to that point. The Hague Conventions were in 1899 and 1907. The Geneva Conventions were 1864, 1906, 1929, 1949, and 1977. Historically, ideas about valid and invalid military targets were developed pretty recently, and were most elaborate in Europe. It was mostly Christians and Jews who held to the general biblical idea that women and children were to be protected (unless they pose a deadly threat).

The Lieber Code of 1863 was developed in the US for the Union armies during the Civil War, yet allowed for General Sherman’s Special Field Order No. 120 that

in districts and neighborhoods where the army is unmolested no destruction of such property should be permitted; but, should guerrillas or bushwhackers molest our march, or should the inhabitants burn bridges, obstruct roads, or otherwise manifest local hostility, then army commanders should order and enforce a devastation more or less relentless according to the measure of such hostility.

In other words, the Lieber Code made allowances to respond to aggression by un-uniformed and irregular combatants, on the Clausewitzian theory that a short, brutal war is preferable and causes less ultimate loss of life than a prolonged, less intense war.

Wherever it is practical and effective in reducing the loss of life, such conventions as the Hague’s and Geneva’s are to be followed. However, when fighting against non-parties to those conventions and values, or those who exploit the protections therein for tactical advantage, those ideals should not be held binding.

For example, what should be done when terrorists use a hospital as their headquarters, hide weapons and hostages there and link it to their terror tunnel network?


  1. The last hearsay claiming that they did dates back more than half a century to the 1967 attack on the USS Liberty. Aside from the incident being so ancient as to be irrelevant (as well as incongruous) to modern relations even if it were intentional, Israel has officially apologized and paid the US back for damages multiple times decades ago, from 1968-1980. All US and Israeli official investigations since then, including ones from opposing administrations and independent agencies, have concluded that this was a fog-of-war accident. Based on course, speed, rough silhouette and communication patterns, the ship had been mistaken for an Egyptian vessel. ↩︎

  2. Israeli public opinion declined to 77% positive in 2024. While still a strong majority, I imagine this decline was due to Biden’s lackluster defense of Jews and Israelis during the campus anti-Israel riots, and his seeming amnesia of the Hamas atrocities of Oct. 7. The campus riots petered off after Trump took office, and America helped attack Iran, a mortal enemy of Israel in 2026, so I expect there has been some recovery, although I haven’t seen polling data for those years yet. JD Vance’s performance in the Iranian negotiations and shutting Israel out of the talks likely temper the recovery though. The more he comes out against Israelis and Jews, I expect the less Israel will be sure of the US. Still, overall I think the Trump admin has been a sea change for the safety of Jews and Israelis, compared to the Biden admin. ↩︎

  3. I was quite surprised at Poland being so positive about the US. It appears that they appreciate being a NATO member extremely highly, having been liberated with the fall of Soviet Russia in 1989. Between memories of Soviet poverty and the vision of American wealth, they highly prefer the American vision. Additionally, Trump has recently lauded them for being one of the few nations meeting financial obligations to NATO. He has even considered moving US troops there from Germany. With Poland being politically more aligned with conservatism, their values align more closely with Trump and the US Constitution. However, China has been making inroads with the Poles, and most Poles see China as the power of the future, rather than the US. ↩︎

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I just can’t figure out @Robert ’s fixation on Netanyahu and Israel. By pretty much every measure we have not had as good an ally as Israel. Certainly not in Ewerope.

Nicely laid out.

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Ahhh, great term to introduce, insane.

You rebuke

and you dismiss

and never ever look into what

That’s insane, that is the single largest defeat America has ever suffered and

you will, and when you do it will be

the same tactic of a boogeyman and fear, this guy sites 16 instances

and finally pushes Trump to attack Iran unprovoked as a good and faithful

and Israel won’t put boots on the ground

but AI companies have until next month to provide the white house framework for a new AI driven draft and the machinery is to now change with the ADAA so eligible men are no longer merely told to register; the system is being built to register them automatically through government data.

The BBB

showed the AI direction: preempt state control and clear the runway. That moratorium got stripped, but the intent was visible. Now the White House is building early federal access to frontier AI, (Israel will have “joint” control) while draft registration moves into automatic government data intake. That is the point: data, AI, and military capacity are being wired together before the public understands the wiring.

But…they don’t need to understand the wiring for it to work and to be affective you can expect a false flag and for it most likely to be nuclear, why? Americans love to join a fight and when the talking heads (MSM) get on their 60htz programming feed you’ll see all the same patriotic zeal you did for 911 which incidentally had an already prepared patriot act all set to strip Americans of more rights, well, AI will make that so much more fun this go around.

That much is true, this has all been very nicely laid out

Anesthetize this bitch

Think that through, the U.S. claims sight, discernment, and moral leadership, yet follows the political state of Israel into the same fear script: Iran always nearly has the bomb, Netanyahu always needs protection, Israel’s war always becomes America’s burden, and anyone asking for judgment is treated as enemy, what happens when the blind follow the blind?

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That was just for the sake of argument. Israel haters like Mamdani want the ICC to have that authority, but it doesn’t.

That’s further evidence for one of my main points - Israeli intelligence has an established record of protecting American interests, more so than that of any other nation in the world.

Interesting clip, although nothing new. Smotrich is saying that rather than the US or Israel making a ground assault or expending munitions in a sustained campaign over the Iranian interior, it is most strategic and efficient to choke off its money supply and oil outlet. This way, the Iranians won’t be able to rally and raise morale by pointing to bombings over their cities and occasionally downing a US or Israeli drone or pilot here and there. By not energizing that anti-infidel zealotry and bleeding their economy dry, the Iranian people will grow discontented and eventually the police will turn against the government once it stops paying them. That’s when there can be real regime change in Iran and a permanent improvement in the status quo.

While the American or Trumpian ideal outcome is a peace agreement and cheap oil so that the GOP wins the midterms comfortably, Israel’s ideal outcome is more existential: regime change, so that Iran never comes anywhere near to trying to nuke Israel. While Trump has repeated that Iran must not have a nuke, his sense of urgency about it is not as acute as Israel’s, since America is 1) very far from Iran, which gives interception time, 2) very large and less population-dense, to the extent that a nuclear attack wouldn’t obliterate us like it would Israel, even in dirty bomb form, and 3) out of range of Iran’s current ICBM technology. Israel lacks all of those safety cushions, and the Iranian nuclear threat is more immediate.

As far as alliances and differences go, that’s rather subtle. It does not make Israel an enemy by any means. The two nations are still largely aligned and agree that Iran must not get a nuke; if Iran gets too close, one or the other will destroy their nuclear capabilities again. As far as Iranian oil, Israel has already diversified away from Iran, and is happy to buy oil from the US, so the Strait of Hormuz is not an existential issue to Israel like nukes. On the other hand, the US is still ramping up domestic oil production, and voters are still impacted by Iran’s choices, so blockading the Strait risks the midterm elections in a very tight Congress.

That’s why I think when Israel (distrusting Iran’s overtures for peace) bombed Iran in the middle of the peace talks, Trump got so angry with Israel - he felt Israel should have waited and that Iran was close to a deal. That was his ideal outcome to restore the American economy and keep American voters happy. If we lose Congress to the Democrats, that would be disadvantageous to Israel, and Israel, Trump thought, should have prioritized the American elections.

For Israel’s part, they’ve been burned by Obama and Biden, constantly told about moderation, red lines and US arms embargoes. Under Trump, who wants nations to take care of themselves independently (as in Europe), Israel has been taking Trump at his word and building the spine to have independent agency in the Middle East. After all, Trump told Israel that he supports their right to defend themselves. That is why Netanyahu himself suggested ending US aid to Israel - he wants Israel to be in charge of its own security, rather than remaining dependent on US arms sales and allowing the US to veto Israeli defense plans. However, cutting off the Israel defense deal would mean cutting American defense sector jobs, so the GOP didn’t seriously consider that.

I think Trump is beginning to realize that Iran is much less of a straight shooter compared to European nations and Venezuela. Yet I think he still has some naive hopes for Iran, since he is still in negotiations with them. Inside, Trump is a nice guy and wants to give people a chance; that has been making him vulnerable.[1] I think people like Marco Rubio, Jared Kushner (architect of the Abraham Accords), and even Pete Hegseth have a more realistic perception of how negotiations go with the Muslim world.

That would happen with or without Israel. I think if Israel gets involved, that would serve as a counter-perspective and check on American Deep State AI, since Israeli efforts hyper-focus on things like suicide drones, cargo drones for smuggling terror supplies, and actual terrorists like the ones who did 9/11 and are invading through our northern border to shoot up Jews and Trump supporters in the name of ISIS or what-have-you. Israelis don’t really care about those Proud Boy LARPers which leftists short-circuit themselves over.


  1. Until now, Trump’s way of coping with this trusting vulnerability has been furious revenge for any betrayal. He may have been relying on that with Iran, but Iran seems unimpressed, seeing how divided support for the war is in Congress. If Israel comes in with the cavalry and saves him, that would likely earn Trump’s eternal gratitude, while increasing Israel’s notoriety. Whether Israel decides to do that, though, is up to them, and they have precious little margin for taking on a side quest that turns out to be an existential error, when they are already fighting terrorists on three other fronts. ↩︎

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You’re still dodging, but that is fine for the moment. This does not have to be reduced to Israel using the U.S. the deeper pattern is that the US carries Israel while Israel is useful to the US controlling the Middle East, i.e. political fornication.

If you will not condemn Netanyahu, then perhaps you should at least be concerned for him.

Historically, the U.S. does not do allies; it does advantages. Saddam, Gaddafi, Noriega, Diem, the Shah of Iran, Hosni Mubarak, Ferdinand Marcos, Mobutu Sese Seko, and Suharto all learned some version of that lesson. Useful men are protected until they are not.

Syria is the same pattern. Israel is not being loved; it is being used. Netanyahu is not sacred to Washington; he is useful to a war economy. When usefulness becomes liability, the machine turns.

Everyone in that machinery is expendable.

The US has done this before. Iran was once a U.S. backed pillar under the Shah, gateway to the middle east. When the arrangement broke, The US put Iran away rode hard and wet, it did not treat Iran as sacred. It became enemy architecture almost overnight. That is how empire works. It has interests, not permanent loves.

When Christians wake up, Israel may find that much of its sacred cover was borrowed, then lost.

But the world will not wake into righteousness. Scripture says when they promise Peace and safety, and then sudden destruction. The promise is due to what, a broke angry world?

That is the point: this is not heading toward honest peace it is heading being directed toward destruction.

But, this is not about Iran at the moment either, below is from AI on what fits Revelation in 2026:

The cleanest 2026 read is not Rome, and not the UN first. It is Israel and America. Israel fits the harlot-pattern where covenant language is joined to kings, merchants, blood, and protection. America fits the beast-pattern because it is the empire force that carries, arms, funds, shields, and amplifies her.

Jerusalem also has a long harlot history in Scripture. This is not a new insult invented for modern politics. Isaiah says, “How is the faithful city become an harlot!” Jeremiah says Israel “played the harlot” under every green tree. Ezekiel 16 says Jerusalem trusted in her own beauty and “playedst the harlot because of thy renown.” Hosea says “the spirit of whoredoms” caused Israel to err. The pattern is covenant treason: a people given God’s name, law, promises, and oracles turning those gifts into pride, alliances, idols, blood, and self-protection.

That matters because Revelation’s woman is not merely immoral. She is covenant language joined to kings and merchants. She sits on many waters, commits fornication with kings, is arrayed in scarlet and wealth, and is drunk with blood. Revelation also calls “the great city” the place “where also our Lord was crucified,” which puts Jerusalem directly on the table. So if modern Israel is read through Jerusalem, the issue is not ethnicity. It is the old prophetic charge: holy name used while joining to empire.

Israel/Jerusalem fits the whore pattern strongest at the covenant level. It claims biblical identity, draws kings to itself, is protected by U.S. presidents, and sits at the center of religious-political conflict. Its weakness is that Revelation 18’s merchant system looks larger than Israel alone. But that does not exclude Israel. It means Israel can be central without being the whole body.

Israel can fit the covenant-name woman, while the commerce around her is wider: American aid, arms, surveillance, defense contracts, lobbying, finance, media, reconstruction, regional war, and global diplomacy. The woman is not isolated. She sits on waters, rides the beast, fornicates with kings, and enriches merchants.

“Come out of her, my people” is therefore the warning line. If the woman is covenant language riding beast-power, then the warning is not only to politicians. It is to churches, pastors, Protestants, evangelicals, and every believer trained to seek salvation where Christ did not place it.

This especially strikes the Scofield-trained mind: the habit of treating modern political Israel as untouchable, prophetic, and almost salvific. That teaching can make a Christian defend a state more quickly than he defends Christ’s own commandments. It can make war look holy, blood look necessary, and criticism look like rebellion against God.

But salvation is not in modern Israel. Salvation is not in Jerusalem below. Salvation is not in Washington. Salvation is not in a flag, a president, a foreign policy, a temple program, or a military alliance. Salvation is in Jesus Christ.

So “come out of her” means come out of the system that uses God’s name to sanctify empire. Come out of the teaching that turns covenant privilege into political immunity. Come out of the bargain where pastors bless what prophets would have rebuked. Come out of the fornication of kings, merchants, churches, and war.

That is why Israel and America make the clearest present pair. Israel supplies the covenant-name woman; America supplies the beast-power carrying her. The UN may explain waters and council imagery. Britain may explain the Balfour bridge. But the main arrangement is simpler: Israel rides, America carries, merchants profit, pastors bless, and blood is justified under sacred language. The betrayal is not merely political. It is spiritual: seeking protection, identity, and redemption in the woman riding the beast instead of in Christ.

why?

He’s not there.

Jesus did not send pastors to become ambassadors for political Israel. He sent them to preach Christ. Anything that makes the shepherd speak for a state instead of the Shepherd is anti Christ in function, because it replaces the voice of Christ with another voice.

The bottom line… Jerusalem has a history as a harlot and is seducing Christians now, it is spiritual adultery.

Excellent, you are suspect, have an intuition, a gut feeling, follow that, listen to the music,

A warring for the heavens

The symphony of destruction,

If it is Gods will then what else have you not seen as also His will?

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Here

is an interesting talk by Glen Beck.

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