7.62x54r vs. 308 Winchester: Soviet Made vs. American Made, Which Reigns Supreme?

The 7.62x54R (aka 7.62x54mmR) and .308 Winchester are two of the most iconic rifle cartridges. Comparing them is natural and well worth our time.

In this article we’ll pit these cartridges against each other and determine which performs better in situations that matter most to you.

What’s the Difference Between 7.62x54R vs. 308 Win

Although these cartridges were designed for similar reasons and have some similarities, differences in their specifications cause either to vary in recoil, trajectory, stopping power, hunting capabilities, and several other facets of performance.

Let’s begin by diving into the differences between the cartridges’ specifications.

Cartridge Specs

The Russian-made 7.62x54R is a unique design: not derived from another cartridge. It fires a bullet with a diameter of 0.312". The case has a neck diameter of 0.336”, base diameter of 0.487”, and 2.115” length. The round is 3.038” in overall length and has a case capacity of 64.2 grains H2O, with a maximum pressure of 56,565 psi.

The 308 Winchester is based on the 30-06 Springfield. It fires a 0.308” diameter bullet. Its case has a neck diameter of 0.3433”, which is close to that of the 7.62x54R. Its base diameter is slightly narrower at 0.4709”. It has a case length of 2.015” – just 0.1” shorter than the 7.62x54R. The overall length of the 308 Win cartridge is 0.238” shorter at 2.800”, with a case capacity of 56 grains H2O. Maximum pressure is 62,000 psi.

Let’s see how these design differences translate to real-world performance, starting with recoil.

Recoil: 7.62x54R vs. .308 Winchester

For most shooters, less recoil is better. The lower the recoil, the less shoulder discomfort. Lower recoil also produces less muzzle rise, which shortens the time the shooter has to spend returning their aim to the target. The shooter will also flinch less while firing, which promotes even better accuracy.

The recoil a shooter feels is subjective. Basing any comparison on felt recoil would therefore be pointless. On the other hand, free recoil energy is purely objective, as it is the product of four measurable variables: projectile weight, propellant weight, muzzle velocity, and firearm weight.

The 7.62x54R has recoil energy of 14.3 ft-lbs when firing a 151 grain bullet at 2,700 fps from an 8.8-pound rifle.

The recoil energy of the 308 Winchester is 17.5 ft-lbs when firing a 180 grain bullet at 2,610 fps from an 8-pound rifle.

The 7.62x54R wins this section because it has less recoil than the 308 Win.

Trajectory

“Trajectory” is the bullet’s flight path downrange. It is measured in inches of bullet drop, or minutes of angle (MOA).

When its target is nearby, a bullet’s trajectory appears as a flat line – the result of gravity having relatively little time to affect the bullet. But when a bullet travels a long distance, its trajectory resembles an arch: rising and then falling, like a baseball thrown from the outfield. A flatter trajectory is preferable for covering long distances, as it requires the shooter to make fewer adjustments to remain accurate.

Both of these cartridges have been used as sniper rounds in past conflicts and wars, so we should expect a reasonably flat trajectory from each. The following scenarios are generalizations. A cartridge’s trajectory varies from load to load, so you might have a different experience when you fire these rounds at the range.

When zeroed at 100 yards, a 7.62x54R 180 grain SP bullet will drop -5.4” at 200 yards, -19.8” at 300 yards, and -89.6” at 500 yards.

When sighted in at 100 yards, a 308 Win 180 grain SP bullet will drop -4.2” at 200 yards, -15.1” at 300 yards, and -62.8” at 500 yards.

When firing a projectile of the same weight, the 308 Win has a flatter trajectory than the 7.62x54R.

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Just had some .308 cases loaded with 54r bullets, had gotten them at a good price, think they were sold as being .311 diameter but they did what was expected :boom:

Its the closest I’ve been to firing a 54r :grin:

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I’d never choose a 7.62 x 54R over a .308 WIN except for the fun of shooting surplus. I’ve taken two whitetail with my Finnish M-39 in 7.62 Russ with Brown Bear (Russian made) 180 gr soft-points. Both were recovered, but the wounds were like they had been stabbed with re-bar.

My M91/30 Tula Arsenal rebuild is a real shooter. I’ve gotten a five shot 1-1/2" group at 100 yards with the iron sights . . . and my 30 year younger than now eyes.

Still have a sealed SPAM can of Czech surplus I am saving for a rainy day. Been burning Chinese surplus (and cleaning with an ammonia wipe), but it is not the same as that Czech cartridge. Gone are the days you could get 440 rounds for $99.99 of the Czech.

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Yeah, if we only knew

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The original photo (Top left) does not look like a 7.62 x 54R, looks like a 7.62x39 enlarged a little bit.

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That’s true, to round on top, not pointy enough

needs to be pointy :grin:

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308 all day, guns still made for it and ammo is plentiful

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Interesting article. Recoil. The article measures rounds with vastly different bullet weights, so recoil can be expected to be heavier with the heavier load. There are large quantities of the surplus ammo that shoots 147 gr bullets I believe (that was because when they designed the round, they went for Garand military ball ammo performance), and doing the calculations with that weight would not encumber the .308 nearly as much.

Also unmentioned is the fact that the 7.62X54 has rifling much better suited to heavy bullets (same problem early Springfields and Garands had - copy of the rifling from the .30-40 Krag). NO competitive “military rifle” shot with the original barrel but with a new one from someone like Lilja or Krieger, or Douglas, with a faster twist (1:10 vs original 1:13). That, too, makes a real difference in accuracy. I suspect the flatter shooting of the .308 round is because of a better BC.

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I had a Norinko Type 56 (folding stock AK) that I sold to a guy who kept outbidding himself for $1,400 when Bill Clinton was elected. Had six magazines and maybe 800 rounds of ammo. I could not pass up doubling my money. That rifle was actually surprisingly accurate. I popped a woodchuck at 150 yards and that is when he decided he had to have it.

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My last Norinko I sold for $150 as that’s what I paid for it, looking back that may not have been so smart :woozy_face:

Never been much for AK’s and easy come easy go :man_shrugging:

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And no rim. The R stands for either Russian or Rimmed depending on who you ask. But it has a huge rim.

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My uncle use to tell me that the VC could use our ammo but we couldn’t use the VCs ammo.
Maybe had his wars mixed up. Might have been talking 308 vs 7.62x54R Or maybe he watched too much Marx Brothers

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IDK, the shoulder might allow a .308 to seat in a commie rifle and fire where the rim would likely keep the bolt from closing and firing in a .308

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Extraction is going to be a bitch.

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I always thought he was on drugs. At least this gets closer then 556 or 308 in a 762x39 AK.
They are both 1.560 to the shoulder, both shoulders are 20 degrees, Nato is .454 at the shoulder, 54R is .452. Neck is smaller on the 54R but bullet larger. Thinner brass.
It would fit, but only get 1 shot without a ramrod. One shot is better then none. Or fashion a moonclip out of a beer can tab.

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Everything except the beer can tab.

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Looks like a good way to keep from burning through to much ammo to fast :grin:

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Sorry about that! Gotta cut back on the unfiltered crack.

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