Kilroy was here
Can we see the keys ??
@Robert , you are clearly a devout Roman Catholic. That is great. But you constantly write as if you are attempting to denigrate our churches, to convert us to Catholicism. We resist. We respectfully find your arguments too narrow, to restricted, to out-of-context biblical quotes. That is our prerogative.
I, for one, am tired of debating the legitimacy of my faith. It is as legitimate as any other Christian faith, perhaps a bit more as I have come to it via a multitude of other church exposures. But that is my problem. I would not attempt to dissuade you from your faith, whether I personally agree wiht it or not. You are a Christian, and that is the first and most important characteristic. All else is table dressing.
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Rather profound question there, if we look to Mr. Webster, an orthodox Calvinist Congregationalist defines key as
8. In the Romish church, ecclesiastical jurisdiction, or the power of the pope, or the power of excommunicating or absolving.
A lot for a non catholic, and the 1611 , not your catholic bible, aside from the obvious where Christ said He did hand over the keys he said what could be done with them
and He also said:
so this is where the power of the keys can be seen, in the confessional with reconciliation to loose your sins.
This here seems to be the first act of penance
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Peter denied Christ three times.
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Christ draws from him three answers of love.
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Each answer receives a commanded work: “Feed my lambs … Feed my sheep.”
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Peter must now live out, before the flock, the love he had denied before men.
So feeding the sheep is not merely a new job handed to Peter after forgiveness. It is the restored man’s required labor, the fruit, proof, and burden of reconciliation. In that broad and serious sense, it is penitential work.
The refinement is that it is more than penance. It is also Peter’s restored office. Christ turns the very place of Peter’s failure into a life of service: you failed to stand for Me; now spend your life tending what is Mine.
i.e.
Look here, Simon, and Jesus said it twice, Simon, not Peter, needs to return (converted)
to be restored to Peter, his title.
I understand, as I once did, I fought the good fight against Catholic’s, I handed out chick tracts that said Catholic’s were bound to hell, and here’s the truly weird part, do you not see the KJV links?
I am still sola scriptura , “but” I found that scripture supports the Church, what a crazy crazy crazy position to be in, to be sola scriptura and find it supports all I too resisted?
Why then would I care to share?
Now, you say yourself resist
So again, why would I care to share?
There’s a commandment
are you not my neighbor?
then He said “Go, and do thou likewise.”
Do you not know what Paul himself said?
So, you can be offended, angry, hate me and resist, what can I do?
Woe if I do nothing ![]()
Then don’t debate, do as Stan did, do as the pharisees did, ask, test
well, nice of you to credit me as such, thank you, I feel likely you’d prefer to say other, I’m not unaware, I have a certain method of operation, it’s not around, under or over, it is much like your own view “No better friend; no worse enemy” well for me it’s
@Devereaux there are many hard sayings of Christ, and the Church’s don’t like to touch them, they instead tell you what you want to hear, but my friend, let me ask, if you found it in your power would you not take it by force
would you sell all you had
The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven
the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field
the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man
the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net
the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder
is the kingdom obtained just by going to church, listening to a preacher and singing?
Does your church warn you of this?
So, be angry, be upset, hate, I will still try, as what else can I do, sit, watch?
Are you not a child of the kingdom?
Few my friend, few, few find, few chosen, few, its an adjective
like count is a verb, it denotes action
Have you counted 6+6+6?
trust me friend, if I could
I would.