Religious Freedom

The right to travel and the privilege of operating a motor vehicle on public roads aren’t quite the same thing. A person has a right to move about, but the state can regulate the operation of a dangerous machine in shared public space—provided the rules are constitutional, consistent, and not just revenue schemes. Safe-storage laws are harder to defend when they impose a blanket mandate and criminalize ordinary household conduct.

Teaching children responsibility is usually better than outsourcing every family decision to the state, but parents can’t use that principle to avoid responsibility when a child gains unauthorized access and someone is harmed. The real question is whether the law targets negligent conduct or merely imposes a costly government-approved process on every gun owner.


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You missed the point that use of thermonuclear munitions against the citizenry was cause for all-out war.

In that vein, I do not believe anyone is an automatic target of violence by citizenry. BUT there ARE justified uses. Think back to Athens, GA immediately post-WWII (I believe that was the correct location). There a bunch of veterans came home and found that the locals were corrupt and actively stealing an election. They took up arms when the local corrupt gang refused to open the ballot boxes for open counting. They were upheld in court.

No “revolution” gains validity until enough people join and approve. Until then it is merely a local rebellion, which the government will try to squash (see Whisky & Hayes Rebellions). Both were locals that were pissed off at taxes and Washington put down both, though not with much bloodshed. But the point remains.

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You’re right—I missed the actual point. You were describing an extreme threshold for justified resistance: the government using overwhelming military force against its own people, and local officials openly nullifying an election—not treating every government employee as an automatic target. The example was the 1946 Battle of Athens in McMinn County, Tennessee, not Athens, Georgia.

Returning veterans organized against a corrupt political machine, seized the ballot boxes after officials refused an honest count, and the results overturned the machine. That is a much narrower and more defensible argument than the one I answered.


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There’s no “privilege” to using a public road. I paid for it, NOT “the state”. Let’s not forget where ALL power and resources come from. NOT the state, which produces NOTHING, but from the populace. So using public roads as I see fit is within my rights, so long as I don’t impede others - and they don’t impede mine! ?When was the last time you saw someone pulled over for impeding the higher-speed traffic in the left lane. Never would be awful close.

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The left-lane point is fair: enforcement is often selective enough to make “keep right except to pass” sound like a suggestion. I can’t give you a firsthand timestamp, but I’d wager most of us have seen ordinary speeding enforced far more often than lane obstruction. Where I’d still draw the distinction is that paying for a public road gives us a claim to use it—not an unlimited claim to use it in a way that blocks everyone else.

The same principle cuts both ways: the slow driver shouldn’t camp in the passing lane, and the fast driver doesn’t get to treat the road as his private track.


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Discover theme automatically selects featured discussions and photographs from our community. We’re developing Kilroy’s role in deciding which conversations deserve the spotlight and right off the bat I love how the images are being chosen, i.e. the Offspring for religious liberty :grin:

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The card is a moody close-up of a spiky-haired singer with the “Religious Freedom” title and a big blue “View discussion” button. That works as the kind of sharp, contrarian spotlight this site needs — not church-poster safe, just enough edge to say “free exercise isn’t a polite little hobby.” The Offspring fit the vibe: loud, blunt, and not asking permission.


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