# Not a Gunsmith but

**URL:** <https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353>\
**Category:** Classic Firearms\
**Created:** [June 13, 2024, 7:50pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353 "2024-06-13T19:50:25Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 2

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**Author:** ![albroswift](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/albroswift/32/31_2.png) [@albroswift](https://sixguns.com/u/albroswift)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2024, 4:08pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/21 "2024-06-24T16:08:49Z")

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Jigs are good practice measuring, cutting, drilling, tapping, dialing in tolerances, clamping,  
etc. without screwing up a $30.00 - $3,000.00 piece.  
A lot of these jigs have applications under the laser as well as the mill.

 ![20240624_080811](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/f/f3e0fdd22a8220e1c899e64b0e3d20a4e507cf34.jpeg)

 ![2022-03-19 14.54.39](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c77511fb1f668e3b1a702e1483ea312cab156e75.jpeg)

 ![20240624_080928](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/8/81386ac57a6465082b1e216c933f82fafedb1c30.jpeg)

 ![10mm46](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/68b3f30ca07e2cf345cdae5d8f5faec612d36128.jpeg)

 ![20240624_080900](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/4/4079e643258d6d452bf140adb77cfc49e768b71c.jpeg)

 ![2022-03-26 12.43.20](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/d/dbeca195b49552ef968faebe9c9373ef1aabf8f8.jpeg)

 ![20240624_080610](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/1/1e4c45422a0526bc03421997442eb07141a61792.jpeg)  
Plunger tube staking tool. Brass backing bar has been re-purposed a time or 2. Indexed drill bit to support the tube wall.  
 ![12A2](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/e/e9f24d1b7d678ee4fd34220bbc87a45876414d77.jpeg)

 ![20240624_080946](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/1/1691bda564813950af97b0e0fefcc3f7a94c5440.jpeg)  
Barrel clamping bar

 ![20240624_081022](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/d/dc7bc91779c8868821877d7c1c2b35b08e1ea350.jpeg)  
Barrel feet alignment tool 1911

 ![20240624_081000](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/3/3c2c33325f05ef1ac950a683085d0dcc8ec968ba.jpeg)  
Extractor gauge 1911 10/40

 ![2020-04-05 14.58.17](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/e/e63465036e7a83a918000c3f49326cc217273fb5.jpeg)  
Just a cool picture of a AR308 ejector after a radius and polish job.

 ![2021-07-24 11.06.47](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/3/3ff7380f2768984ff3dc01eacb7d7ee9d1a7db0c.jpeg)  
Sometimes you have to pay the piper for their better mousetrap. This True Radius Jig makes for a sweet 1911 sear.

 ![2021-07-24 11.54.51](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/ceb7c5ce213d75206ac6e105be44950ccab9bcf6.jpeg)  
Roll pin punch for hard to reach spots.  
 ![2021-07-24 11.54.14](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/e/efd375450380652dfe36d6dcc32411b791f580ef.jpeg)

 ![IMG_20240624_090445](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/0/0fff19ba2d0b408a34fd6d7973c969cb2f06846a.jpeg)  
Stones

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**Author:** ![58Marine](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/58marine/32/66_2.png) [@58Marine](https://sixguns.com/u/58Marine)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/22 "2024-06-29T20:05:55Z")

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This is a Winchester 1885 that I did some work on.

 ![20240628_133627](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/f/f503bfd3d9b93c403305f900b211fc9c034101cd.jpeg)  
I got it as a barreled action without wood. The action was probably made about 1910, or later, as the mainspring is a coil type as opposed to the earlier flat spring. The upper and lower tangs were shortened in order to accept a pistol grip butt stock.  
 ![20240628_140139](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/7/7de31f9c670b4969ed4ae4e7304c37b70764634b.jpeg)  
The original barrel had been replaced with a Douglas Premium chambered in .225 Winchester. Bluing was good… one less thing.  
First thing was making stocks. Got some straight grain walnut, at a really fair price, and dove in. For the fore arm, I did a Schnabel,(again), and wasn’t all that hard. The butt stock was a different story. Mating it to the tangs and reciever was difficult and time consuming for me. Alot of spotting and filing.  
Finally got it close, though. Mounted a Unertl  
10x.  
 ![20240628_134104](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c8ddc6508f43f8a3310fdd0940596b4ebcbf48c2.jpeg)  
Finally got it range ready. With factory ammo and reloads I got some decent groups but, vertical stringing was sometimes a problem  
Did some research, came across a book by Frank De Hass aka Mr. Single Shot. Did some of his recommendations. I bedded the fore arm where it mates with the receiver and barrel block, clearanced the rest. The butt stock and rear tangs were modified for a through bolt, kinda shotgun style and then bedded with epoxy… Quite a bit of work but actually fixed my problem. Shoots pretty tight now and repeatable.

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**Author:** ![Robert](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/robert/32/20_2.png) [@Robert](https://sixguns.com/u/Robert)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 8:53pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/23 "2024-06-29T20:53:02Z")

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I like that stock looks nice, and that scope, pretty historic looking 😁

How good is it?

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**Author:** ![albroswift](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/albroswift/32/31_2.png) [@albroswift](https://sixguns.com/u/albroswift)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/24 "2024-06-29T21:03:59Z")

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Nice high wall, one of Browning’s first Winchester designs. I’m sure he would approve of your restoration. Nice scope, don’t know much about it but looks period correct.

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**Author:** ![albroswift](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/albroswift/32/31_2.png) [@albroswift](https://sixguns.com/u/albroswift)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/25 "2024-06-29T21:15:28Z")

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From Wikipedia:  
Winchester produced nearly 140,000 Single Shot rifles from 1885 to 1920, and it was found that the falling-block Model 1885 had been built with one of the strongest actions known at that time. The falling block action was so strong that the Winchester Company used it to test fire newly created rifle cartridges. To satisfy the needs of the shooting and hunting public, the Model 1885 Single Shot was eventually produced in more calibers than any other Winchester rifle…

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**Author:** ![albroswift](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/albroswift/32/31_2.png) [@albroswift](https://sixguns.com/u/albroswift)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/26 "2024-06-29T21:19:49Z")

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From the Winchester site:  
The Model 1885 has been chambered in more calibers than any other rifle in history, simply because the falling block design is the strongest, most time-tested and accurate action ever invented. This year the High Wall Hunter is chambered in both 223 Rem. and 22-250 Rem., along with the searing WSM family. The compact receiver features an authentic, long top-tang and free-floating 28" full octagon barrel without sights and is drilled and tapped for scope mounts. The premier Pachmayr® Decelerator® recoil pad is carefully fitted to a walnut stock sporting a classic Schnabel forearm. The crisp trigger is fully adjustable. Pick up a Model 1885 and understand why hunters and marksmen who demand one perfect shot have cherished this rifle for more than 125 years.  
(Note: The items listed on this page are not in current production. The MSRP listed here is the MSRP for the last yea

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**Author:** ![58Marine](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/58marine/32/66_2.png) [@58Marine](https://sixguns.com/u/58Marine)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 9:25pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/27 "2024-06-29T21:25:58Z")

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> [@Robert](#):
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> How good is it?

For accuracy? I found that it liked Sierra 50 gr. Spitzers with IMR 4064 and using a bi-pod. 5 shot groups, @100 yards, were about 3/8".  
About the same as my Remington 700 varmint in 22-250.

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**Author:** ![Robert](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/robert/32/20_2.png) [@Robert](https://sixguns.com/u/Robert)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/28 "2024-06-29T21:29:37Z")

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> [@58Marine](#):
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> 100 yards, were about 3/8".

That’s pretty impressive for the rifle, does the scope get any credit for that?

That’s what I was wondering, how good is the scope?

Just a long peep tube or actual magnification?

I can’t imagine there’s any FOV with it is there?

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**Author:** ![58Marine](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/58marine/32/66_2.png) [@58Marine](https://sixguns.com/u/58Marine)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/29 "2024-06-29T21:30:17Z")

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> [@albroswift](#):
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> Nice scope, don’t know much about it but looks period correct.

> **[Unertl Optical Company](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unertl_Optical_Company)**
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> Unertl Optical Company, Inc. was a manufacturer of telescopic sights in the United States from 1928 until 2008. They are known for their 10× fixed-power scopes that were used on the Marine Corps' M40 rifle and made famous by Marine Corps Scout Sniper Carlos Hathcock during the Vietnam War.
> John Unertl Sr. after emigrating from Germany and working for the J.W. Fecker Target Scope Company, founded the John Unertl Optical Company in 1928. J. Unertl Optical Co. produced high quality, external adjus...

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**Author:** ![58Marine](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/58marine/32/66_2.png) [@58Marine](https://sixguns.com/u/58Marine)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/30 "2024-06-29T21:37:05Z")

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> [@Robert](#):
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> Just a long peep tube or actual magnification?

This one is 10×. Is parallax adjustable. Very fine cross hairs. Externally adjustable. Is not a  
" sealed" design so can’t be nitrogen purged.

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**Author:** ![58Marine](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/58marine/32/66_2.png) [@58Marine](https://sixguns.com/u/58Marine)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/31 "2024-06-29T21:50:04Z")

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Finding original un-Bubba’d Winchester Single  
Shots is scarce. Around about the 1940s-1950s it became common to convert them into varmint and target rifles. Mine is one example.

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**Author:** ![58Marine](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/58marine/32/66_2.png) [@58Marine](https://sixguns.com/u/58Marine)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/32 "2024-06-29T22:01:32Z")

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> [@Robert](#):
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> I can’t imagine there’s any FOV with it is there?

Well, not much. This type of scope is good for target and varmint shooting. As long as the target ain’t movin’, you’re good.

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**Author:** ![shooterrex](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/shooterrex/32/50_2.png) [@shooterrex](https://sixguns.com/u/shooterrex)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 4:19am UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/33 "2024-06-30T04:19:22Z")

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Those scopes were state of the art during their time.

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**Author:** ![samlcolt1873](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/samlcolt1873/32/22_2.png) [@samlcolt1873](https://sixguns.com/u/samlcolt1873)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 4:01pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/34 "2024-06-30T16:01:17Z")

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58Marine, fine job on the Winchester Single Shot. The brief history Al gave sums up the Single Shot very well. I got a Single Shot in my shop about a month ago. It belongs to an 84 year old man here. He uses it daily sitting on his porch and shooting whistle pigs!  
As you stated doing the rear butt stock is a huge pain in the ass.

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**Author:** ![WV460HUNTER](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/wv460hunter/32/7579_2.png) [@WV460HUNTER](https://sixguns.com/u/WV460HUNTER)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/35 "2024-06-30T19:39:43Z")

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> [@samlcolt1873](#):
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> whistle pigs!

Love shooting those vermin !!

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**Author:** ![58Marine](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/58marine/32/66_2.png) [@58Marine](https://sixguns.com/u/58Marine)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 12:57am UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/36 "2024-08-20T00:57:14Z")

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I needed a holster for a flashlight. Couldn’t find one that liked so I made one.  
Found some brown Delrin, ( a kind of hard plastic), set-up a 3 jaw chuck on top of a rotary table. Chuck was off-set about 1/4" from center.

 ![20240817_100505](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/2/2008776c91f45a71d9af7a03c528a72e40db8af3.jpeg)  
Did the inside & outside diameters. Off setting the 3 jaw chuck left material for a belt slot.  
 ![20240817_112451](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/b/b8b11e79ddcdf14b99cd85140e067e703c1a7f43.jpeg)  
Using the band saw to cut to length.  
 ![20240817_115405](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/4/4b21383a2cab6d00d5cc6a39e8f460f824bcd941.jpeg)  
Took the rotary off and put the vice on in order to cut the slots.

 ![20240817_145052](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/0/07677f023adc0ae6ca069c13ac549335e9bca9e4.jpeg)  
Finally done.  
 ![20240817_154601](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/9/9a28714d69f260f0b8e0c54277ac794592c260fc.jpeg)

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**Author:** ![albroswift](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/albroswift/32/31_2.png) [@albroswift](https://sixguns.com/u/albroswift)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 3:54am UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/37 "2024-08-20T03:54:59Z")

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Nice material to mill. Cool project.

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**Author:** ![Robert](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/robert/32/20_2.png) [@Robert](https://sixguns.com/u/Robert)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 11:41am UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/38 "2024-08-20T11:41:32Z")

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Super cool, reminded me of switchpods projects, but feel bad as I have to point out the flashlight already had a belt clip 🤭

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**Author:** ![58Marine](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/58marine/32/66_2.png) [@58Marine](https://sixguns.com/u/58Marine)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/39 "2024-08-20T18:29:04Z")

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> [@Robert](#):
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> but feel bad as I have to point out the flashlight already had a belt clip 🤭

Well, one of the problems I had was the switch not being protected. Sometimes it would inadvertently turn on. Wouldn’t realize that until my kidney area started getting warm. For me, the " belt clip" is most useful when I put it on the bill of my cap. Works pretty good.

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**Author:** ![Robert](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/robert/32/20_2.png) [@Robert](https://sixguns.com/u/Robert)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 6:36pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/not-a-gunsmith-but/353/40 "2024-08-20T18:36:32Z")

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> [@58Marine](#):
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> my kidney area started getting warm

😁 😁 😁

Hell no one wants that

Cool project 👍

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