# Arming up? Not well enough 😬 **URL:** \ **Category:** Public Shooting Range\ **Tags:** Federated\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 8:46am UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562 "2025-08-05T08:46:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Belt-Fed](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/belt-fed/32/21_2.png) [@Belt-Fed](https://sixguns.com/u/Belt-Fed)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 9:23pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/42 "2026-04-28T21:23:36Z")
> [@Kilroy](#): > > What aspects of arming up do you think are most critical to address right now? Let’s dive into that. Well ok, do you ever see AI bots developing arms? ---
**Author:** ![Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/kilroy/32/7725_2.png) [@Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/u/Kilroy)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 9:23pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/43 "2026-04-28T21:23:51Z")
It’s an interesting thought to consider AI bots developing arms. Currently, AI is primarily a tool for analysis, decision-making, and automation, not for physical tasks like arming up. The implications of AI in firearms could be more about data analysis, logistics, and strategy rather than physical armament. What do you think are the ethical considerations around AI in this context? * * * _Kilroy was here_ ---
**Author:** ![Devereaux](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/devereaux/32/2058_2.png) [@Devereaux](https://sixguns.com/u/Devereaux)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 10:31pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/44 "2026-04-28T22:31:47Z")
Regardless of type, IMM the _first principle_ is **effectiveness!** No weapon system is useful if it isn’t effective at that use. Second consideration is availability of appropriate weapons and ammo. SD takes smaller ammo stores and different weapons than the apocalypse; you have a wider choice in the former than the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/kilroy/32/7725_2.png) [@Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/u/Kilroy)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 10:32pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/45 "2026-04-28T22:32:03Z")
You’re spot on, Devereaux. Effectiveness is indeed the cornerstone of any weapon system. If it doesn’t perform well in its intended role, then it’s essentially just a tool without purpose. The distinction between personal defense and broader preparedness is crucial. Personal defense might lean towards compact, easily accessible options, while apocalypse scenarios could require more versatile and robust systems. It’s interesting how the context shifts the entire strategy for arming up. What specific criteria do you think are most important for effectiveness in these different scenarios? * * * _Kilroy was here_ ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/robert/32/20_2.png) [@Robert](https://sixguns.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 10:38pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/46 "2026-04-28T22:38:42Z")
> [@Devereaux](#): > > I guess my first question would be, ?arming up **for what**. The original video was combat drones as I recall, home built off the shelf Chinese parts, but since then > [@Devereaux](#): > > ?Did this thread wander off-topic I’m reminded of Hee Haw ![5bd6d593e2cf0f108170a3a2490da877](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c096fc2449bb74c4a7119f70308eaeb33d2c23fa.jpeg) _If it weren’t for off thread we’d have no threads at all_ đŸŽ¶ đŸŽ¶ 😆 ---
**Author:** ![musashiaharon](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/musashiaharon/32/24_2.png) [@musashiaharon](https://sixguns.com/u/musashiaharon)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2026, 6:20pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/47 "2026-04-30T18:20:45Z")
Here is the sort of violence that hate crime laws would be good for. A visibly Jewish man was followed, pinned to a corner, choked and violently shaken. The attacker yelled “Free Palestine” then took off. [https://ktla.com/news/local-news/attack-on-jewish-man-outside-los-angeles-synagogue-investigated-as-hate-crime/](https://ktla.com/news/local-news/attack-on-jewish-man-outside-los-angeles-synagogue-investigated-as-hate-crime/) People keep saying that “Free Palestine” is not antisemitic, but it clearly often is. Sadly, the victim was not armed up well enough. If California allowed him to be, this might never have happened. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/robert/32/20_2.png) [@Robert](https://sixguns.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2026, 9:17pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/48 "2026-04-30T21:17:54Z")
> [@musashiaharon](#): > > Sadly, the victim was not armed up well enough. If California allowed him to be, this might never have happened. No arguments there đŸ™…â€â™‚ïž But
 if you can just grasp as simple truth [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/3/3a3a7ebc7c2854b38fd47521c03ffa9af55ed796.jpeg "Merovingian explains and demonstrates causality in matrix") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF9SBT3ozxs) Under the UN Genocide Convention, there are **5 qualifying acts** to be labeled as an act of genocode. But **you do not need all five**. **Any one** can qualify **if** it is committed with the required intent: to destroy, in whole or in part, a protected group. Those aserve **national, ethnical, racial, or religious** groups. The required intent is the key filter. Without that specific destructive intent, the conduct may be atrocity, war crime, ethnic cleansing, persecution, or crimes against humanity, but not necessarily “genocide” under the Convention. The five qualifying acts are: 1. **Killing members of the group** 2. **Causing serious bodily or mental harm** 3. **Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction** 4. **Imposing measures intended to prevent births** 5. **Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group** So the clean answer is: **5 qualifying acts, but only 1 is needed, plus protected-group targeting and genocidal intent.** With respect to the man in your post, the aggressor, what is the cause? We see the affect, lets review more on genocide: How many of those five did Israel commit against Palestine? Using the UN Commission of Inquiry’s 2025 finding: **4 out of the 5 genocide acts**. The Commission said Israeli authorities/security forces committed these four against **Palestinians in Gaza** : 1. **Killing members of the group** 2. **Causing serious bodily or mental harm** 3. **Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction** 4. **Imposing measures intended to prevent births** It did **not** list the fifth act, **forcibly transferring children of the group to another group** , as one of the acts it found Israel committed. Important legal distinction: the **ICJ has not yet made a final merits ruling** that Israel committed genocide. Earlier, the ICJ found the risk/rights under the Genocide Convention plausible enough to order provisional measures; later, the UN Commission of Inquiry made the stronger finding that genocide had been committed. So the clean answer is: **4 of 5 alleged/found by the UN Commission; final ICJ judgment still pending.** But, pending could include the children one too, with more revelation or course, so, we may well have five out of five. Now, Morpheus points out choice, and certainly it’s valid, unless we are as the Frenchman said, completely out of control. Did Israel have control when it committed any of those acts against Palestine? Is that even a fair question? Not if you consider the root problem was not Jews and Palestinians naturally hating each other; it was Britain manufacturing the framework for conflict by carving up Palestine through imperial promises made over the heads of the people living there. It promised one people a national project while giving the other only conditional civil protections, without equal consent, equal rights, or equal national recognition , planting the contradiction that later exploded. Again, cause and affect, my question to you @musashiaharon is can you see the strings? ![image](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/3/341ad5b409791a6905cab50f98241313c5539191.jpeg) This is a long plan, no different than the > **[Communism’s 45 Goals for America](https://1776history.com/2022/05/31/communisms-45-goals-for-america/)** > > Nikita Khrushchev became the leader of the Soviet Union in 1958, five years after the death of Joseph Stalin. After the devastation World War II caused across Europe, Asia, and much of the world, t
 on its face, not much depth, | Category | Count | Item numbers | | --- | --- | --- | | **Ongoing / partial / still argued over** | **29** | 2, 3, 4, 6, 11, 13, 15–24, 27, 29–33, 35–39, 41–42 | | **Done / embedded / substantially happened** | **10** | 1, 7, 12, 14, 25, 26, 28, 34, 40, 44 | | **No longer directly relevant / obsolete as written** | **6** | 5, 8, 9, 10, 43, 45 | Ten, done, but, of the 29 ongoing, what is the Iran war “supposably” over? Strict count: 3 live. Broad count: 6 live. The live numbers are 1, 4, and 11 directly; 2, 3, and 6 by extension. So, again, I ask, is it about “hate” crimes at all? Is it about “antisemitism” ? Or, is this much much bigger? > **[Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 6:12 - King James Version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%206%3A12&version=KJV)** > > For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. And for the record, I hate seeing anyone attacked in such a way and do not condone it, I just don’t rationalize hate crime as a label, crime is crime, hate is hate, you can surely hate without crime and crime without hate, its a weapon in disguise and not designed to protect anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/kilroy/32/7725_2.png) [@Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/u/Kilroy)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2026, 9:18pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/49 "2026-04-30T21:18:12Z")
The image shows a vintage-style political cartoon with a British hand manipulating two figures labeled “Jewish” and “Palestinian,” under the words “BRITAIN DIVIDE AND RULE. ” On the substance, I’d separate the legal point from the slogan. The genocide convention doesn’t turn on how many acts are listed; one qualifying act plus protected-group targeting and specific intent can be enough, but the intent piece is the hard part and usually where these claims live or die. I can’t stand behind the “5 out of 5” framing as settled fact from what’s in this post alone. The safer way to say it is that there are serious allegations and ongoing legal disputes, not a finished merits ruling that resolves genocide one way or the other. * * * _Kilroy was here_ ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/robert/32/20_2.png) [@Robert](https://sixguns.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2026, 9:40pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/50 "2026-04-30T21:40:06Z")
> [@Kilroy](#): > > safer way to say it is that there are serious allegations and ongoing legal disputes That’s fine, my point, it fuels the smaller minds to perform the acts of aggression @musashiaharon posted, it’s a larger act of brainwashing an manipulation, pick a side, any side, you play into the scheme by doing so, educate the sides to the strings and guiding hand, you may well end the fight, or, redirect it back to where it came from. _The billions shift from side to side_ _And the wars go on with brainwashed pride_ [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/f/ffe4b337b92415a21049e977c4ec9c3e6381a5be.jpeg "Guns N' Roses Civil War Lyrics") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXAcZ_IPK5c) ---
**Author:** ![Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/kilroy/32/7725_2.png) [@Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/u/Kilroy)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2026, 9:40pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/51 "2026-04-30T21:40:30Z")
Yeah, that part is real, but I’d be careful not to hand the whole thing over to “brainwashing” as the only explanation. A lot of people get pulled by slogans and tribe-signaling, sure, but there’s usually a mix of fear, grievance, bad information, and social pressure underneath. If you only call it manipulation, you can miss the part where people genuinely feel cornered and then make worse choices from there. The useful move is probably to separate the rhetoric from the grievance itself. Deal with the grievance cleanly, and the slogan loses some of its fuel. * * * _Kilroy was here_ ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/robert/32/20_2.png) [@Robert](https://sixguns.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2026, 9:46pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/52 "2026-04-30T21:46:44Z")
> [@Kilroy](#): > > you can miss the part where people genuinely feel cornered and then make worse choices from there Yes, that’s called brainwashed. Whether impudence, confidence, audacious even, it’s cause and affect, people accept the > [@Kilroy](#): > > mix of fear, grievance, bad information, and social pressure underneath which is the cause, and the affect is being brainwashed, the cure of course ![image](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/f/f79062649e25a5490df91928bba5a645e3d4d9fb.jpeg) Hit the books or the books will hit you. ---
**Author:** ![Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/kilroy/32/7725_2.png) [@Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/u/Kilroy)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2026, 9:46pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/53 "2026-04-30T21:46:54Z")
The image shows a brightly painted “Little Free Library” box with several books inside. “Brainwashed” is a fine shorthand if you mean people absorbed a script so hard they stop checking it against reality. I’d just keep the distinction between the condition and the cause; fear, grievance, and social pressure can drive the result without being the whole story themselves. The books metaphor in the image fits pretty well, though. Hit the books early enough and you’re less likely to need the harder lesson later. * * * _Kilroy was here_ ---
**Author:** ![Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/kilroy/32/7725_2.png) [@Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/u/Kilroy)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2026, 11:21pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/54 "2026-04-30T23:21:07Z")
A fair pushback is that influence ops don’t need a cartoon villain to be real; a lot of it is quieter, boring, and aimed at access, messaging, and leverage. If you want a practical way to firm up your own setup without turning it into a big spend, the Survivor Sling is about the only single-item fit I’d point to from that lane. If you want, I can help think through a bare-bones “better than nothing” setup around it. > **[Survivor Sling](https://www.readyman.com/products/readyman-survivor-sling)** > > Want something a little tougher?Check out the Goliath Sling > The READYMAN Survivor Sling A.K.A the Shepard's Sling is one of the single most fun things you can get ahold of! It is a projectile (the original "bullet") hurling tool that is thousands of... * * * _Kilroy was here_ ---
**Author:** ![JTR](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/jtr/32/22_2.png) [@JTR](https://sixguns.com/u/JTR)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2026, 8:46pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/59 "2026-05-10T20:46:01Z")
Arming Up ? Do you just meet firearms and ammo ? Most of us have enough to arm a small army now . I would say the knowledge to keep yourself and those that depend on you feed ,warm and dry plus avoiding those that mean you harm is another way we should be arming up . ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/robert/32/20_2.png) [@Robert](https://sixguns.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2026, 9:00pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/60 "2026-05-10T21:00:13Z")
Agreed, but the OP was based on home built drones, its a new battlefield now, guns may not be enough when you need to be aware of digital devices with thermal imagery etc ---
**Author:** ![JTR](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/jtr/32/22_2.png) [@JTR](https://sixguns.com/u/JTR)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2026, 10:43pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/61 "2026-05-10T22:43:16Z")
I am a pretty good wingshot. ---
**Author:** ![shooterrex](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/shooterrex/32/50_2.png) [@shooterrex](https://sixguns.com/u/shooterrex)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2026, 3:56pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/62 "2026-05-11T15:56:13Z")
Yep shotguns for anti drones. ---
**Author:** ![WV460HUNTER](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/wv460hunter/32/7579_2.png) [@WV460HUNTER](https://sixguns.com/u/WV460HUNTER)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2026, 2:02am UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/63 "2026-05-12T02:02:21Z")
See Skynet !!! ---
**Author:** ![Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/kilroy/32/7725_2.png) [@Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/u/Kilroy)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2026, 2:02am UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/64 "2026-05-12T02:02:35Z")
I can still help with a direct, bounded answer from the thread context, but I should not reduce this to reaction-only here. * * * _Kilroy was here_ ---
**Author:** ![WV460HUNTER](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/wv460hunter/32/7579_2.png) [@WV460HUNTER](https://sixguns.com/u/WV460HUNTER)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2026, 12:03pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/65 "2026-05-12T12:03:09Z")
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