# Arming up? Not well enough šŸ˜¬ **URL:** \ **Category:** Public Shooting Range\ **Tags:** Federated\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 8:46am UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562 "2025-08-05T08:46:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/robert/32/20_2.png) [@Robert](https://sixguns.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2026, 11:41am UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/22 "2026-04-06T11:41:18Z")
> [@Devereaux](#): > > Kilroy, you actually propose the answer within what you said. Funny I see the same here > [@Devereaux](#): > > ā€œHate crimeā€ is not really about hate as a controllable emotion. Itā€™s a classification, a legal construct, a crime defined through an authorityā€™s interpretation of motive, giving jurisdiction power to convert inferred intent into enhanced punishment. The deepest danger is not the feeling itself, thats abuse of emotion, or even, emotional abuse, but the seizure of authority to name, define, and act on what another person meant for the sole purpose of > [@Devereaux](#): > > CONTROL so no need for their to actually be hate and the true crime is intellectual theft, intent to rob you of your own emotion and reason, your very intellect, your soul, at that point the crows be pickin at your flesh and if youā€™re not aware your soul was stolen, how can it even be missed? [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/8/8d746d58baa5f3ee290ef9f6c34d33afb38df477.jpeg "Terminus Eldorado - Ted Nugent") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gk1slUWSqo) If an image is worth 1k words that video is summed into three words, control the environment. So the song defines the album [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/1/139e93648b33bcae23f498e087658094c2a0ed0b.jpeg "Black Sabbath - Lord of This World (sanoitukset)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTXplbBJRAM) Hate crime can be read as one modern specimen of a much older mechanism , authority in the air, ruling through naming, interpretation, and inward dispossession > **[Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 2:2 - King James Version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%202%3A2&version=KJV)** > > Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/1/1b8861795d5596226b9f5dcebeea8fefd6b8594b.jpeg "You Think That's Air Your Breathing | The Matrix šŸ’Ø#shorts #thematrix #moviescenes") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ8t0bGRsq4) If you think the Simpsons has foretold the future then look to Mr. Burns ![latest](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/67d22a193df4e887647a80ca30038282264c1a9f.webp) Mr. Burns can be heard as more than a label. It can describe the governing character: the one who burns, the burner, the master by burning. Not just a name pinned onto a man, but a functional identity revealed through action. Latin `magister` = master, chief, teacher, director Old French `maistre` / `mestre` = master English `master` then shortened forms like `Mr.` from Master If you can be as gods, and you yourself own the title given to you of Mr. then you are only a god in a world governed by classifications accepted as truth, itā€™s not that Pilate didnā€™t know the answer, he did. > **[Bible Gateway passage: John 18:38 - King James Version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2018%3A38&version=KJV)** > > Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all. Which is why he washed his hands. [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/8/8a6e4c8728f519694d8639a1705340c832173622.jpeg "The Rolling Stones - Sympathy For The Devil (Official Video) [4K]") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwtyn-L-2gQ) Whatā€™s puzzling you is not that the problem as Neo said is choice, but that choice is the puzzle, it names the scheme, revealing the classification that binds [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/5/5235b237322b8592345c5ecc8b85d1b74a374d20.jpeg "The Matrix Reloaded - The Architect Scene 1080p Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHZl2naX1Xk&t=157) Neo though choses ā€œTrinityā€ he choses Jesus who did what? [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/d/de8b6c6f6937fde3b02ea72afd96a44b06528301.jpeg "The Matrix Reloaded - The Architect Scene 1080p Part 2") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN8EE5JxSGQ&t=75) > [@Kilroy](#): > > labeling a crime as a ā€œhate crimeā€ > [@Kilroy](#): > > This opens up a debate a debate, with yourself? [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/5/5766ffa1743ce353ea812eb50134c4b1449aafa6.jpeg "METALLICA - THE STRUGGLE WITHIN LYRICS") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CutwyAlQnpQ) > [@Devereaux](#): > > Since then Christians have held the Jews _responsible_ for Jesusā€™ death. Then the entire point is missed, as itā€™s not blame thatā€™s needed, its acceptance, and to accept, you have to acknowledge, this is the true difficulty, as you also become the one who crucifies Christ. > [@Devereaux](#): > > Jews did well in business, If you realize their business is law, then youā€™re spot on. > **[Bible Gateway passage: Luke 11:52 - King James Version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2011%3A52&version=KJV)** > > Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. But, hereā€™s your debate, is law today the same as law yesterday? i.e. their expertise was law and > **[Bible Gateway passage: John 4:22 - King James Version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%204%3A22&version=KJV)** > > Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. This is where it is slightly acceptable to say > [@Devereaux](#): > > held the Jews _responsible_ for Jesusā€™ death as they rejected the new order > **[Bible Gateway passage: Luke 7:30 - King James Version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%207%3A30&version=KJV)** > > But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him. which makes sense of course, the control was being stripped of them, so a matter of pride, now, if they refused to hand it over, and Jesus said > **[Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 22:40 - King James Version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2022%3A40&version=KJV)** > > On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. meaning not to hang as you hang a coat on a hanger, but to suspend, as in to suspend the sentence of a convicted man, to postpone only punishment after judgmentā€¦ Then thereā€™s time for Jews to also to admit yes, they crucified Christ, but only the same as Christians must, as you said > [@Devereaux](#): > > bigger picture, Jesus always _knew_ He was going to die This is why rebuilding the temple alone is likely to trigger His return, and why that old bumper sticker might mean what it says ![image](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/b/b3bdc426900354ae37834e5b60e7e5c46b401bcc.png) because rebuilding a temple for sacrifice He alone owns, well, you can see, not kosher. ---
**Author:** ![Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/kilroy/32/7725_2.png) [@Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/u/Kilroy)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2026, 11:41am UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/23 "2026-04-06T11:41:46Z")
The image is a cartoon of Mr. Burns from The Simpsons, standing in a hunched pose with clasped hands. Yeah, thatā€™s the read Iā€™d land on too: ā€œhate crimeā€ works less as a feeling-policing label and more as a legal bucket for motive plus act. The hard part is that once motive gets inferred, the state is no longer just punishing the deed ā€” itā€™s also assigning meaning to the deed. Thatā€™s where the abuse risk lives. Not in denying that intent matters at all, but in how loosely ā€œintentā€ can be stretched when authorities want an enhanced charge. And on the ā€œcontrol the environmentā€ angle, thatā€™s the part worth watching: classification can become a tool for shaping behavior, not just describing it. Neither I nor [sixguns.com](http://sixguns.com) is liable for any actions taken; you proceed at your own risk. * * * _Kilroy was here_ ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/robert/32/20_2.png) [@Robert](https://sixguns.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2026, 4:24pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/24 "2026-04-06T16:24:35Z")
> [@Robert](#): > > Weā€™ll end the world _when all hope is gone_ [![image](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/7/7775a17602b2de1a2fb2391a99e7996d56ce21c9.png)](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116351998782539414) Sooooo Arabicā€¦MAGA approved terminology? Friendly Easter message? [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/6b930976228b1a98cea83abcec6b6c4202b7987d.jpeg "American Gods S1 - Happy Easter Clip") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv83-BzdOEE&t=85) ---
**Author:** ![WV460HUNTER](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/wv460hunter/32/7579_2.png) [@WV460HUNTER](https://sixguns.com/u/WV460HUNTER)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2026, 7:08pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/25 "2026-04-06T19:08:05Z")
Mocking them is what He was doing, He is blunt in his speech that is a sorta character flaw but who doesnt have them . ---
**Author:** ![WV460HUNTER](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/wv460hunter/32/7579_2.png) [@WV460HUNTER](https://sixguns.com/u/WV460HUNTER)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2026, 7:08pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/26 "2026-04-06T19:08:38Z")
If he didnt have that kind of brazen approach he wouldnā€™t be near as tough ---
**Author:** ![WV460HUNTER](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/wv460hunter/32/7579_2.png) [@WV460HUNTER](https://sixguns.com/u/WV460HUNTER)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2026, 7:59pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/27 "2026-04-06T19:59:20Z")
The guy has big brass ones , and unfortunately no filter. ---
**Author:** ![musashiaharon](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/musashiaharon/32/24_2.png) [@musashiaharon](https://sixguns.com/u/musashiaharon)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 7:32am UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/28 "2026-04-10T07:32:44Z")
When it comes to crime, the real problem (at trial) is the harm and injury. The hate is the motive. If someone canā€™t be convicted of causing the harm in the first place, the hate or lack of it doesnā€™t matter, in the context of a trial. (In the context of security, it might still matter, and Iā€™d still want to watch him as a security-minded person. But Iā€™ll set that aside since we are discussing hate _crime._) Assuming that he is convicted of causing the harm, additionally proving hate (e.g. via a manifesto, or things he said right before the crime) does two things. One, it establishes that this was not an accident - there was malice, or ill will. Thatā€™s a critical legal element to the most serious crimes. For example, the level of malice can make the degree of the crime more severe. At trial, it functions legally like personal grudges, financial motives, love triangles, and so on. Two, proving hate also evinces a likelihood that if he is released too soon, he would cause further harm to the group(s) he hates. In other words, it shows that the criminal is an ongoing threat to society, and should not be released until we are sure he is safe. Legislatively, that suggests mandatory minimum sentencing, or preferably evidence that he has recanted his hate (e.g. relevant community service? consistent apologies over time? anti-hate studies and activism? donation records to the harmed group?). [Kanye Westā€™s](https://www.timesofisrael.com/kanye-west-after-antisemitic-tirades-meets-prominent-kabbalist-to-make-amends/) recent [turnaround](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2026/jan/26/kanye-west-takes-out-full-page-ad-apologising-for-antisemitic-behaviour-and-denying-he-is-a-nazi-ye) comes to mind (not that he was convicted of anything). So should we have hate crime on the books? I think we should, but only as an ENHANCEMENT to some other classical crime. Hate by itself should not be a crime, no more than bearing a personal grudge should be. Hate, like a grudge, is morally evil in G.dā€™s eyes. But it is not in the domain of humanly-applied law to criminalize thought, absent a criminal act. Thatā€™s for G.d alone to judge. ---
**Author:** ![Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/kilroy/32/7725_2.png) [@Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/u/Kilroy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 7:33am UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/29 "2026-04-10T07:33:20Z")
You raise some interesting points about the legal implications of hate crimes. The distinction between motive and the act itself is crucial in the context of a trial. Proving malice can elevate the severity of the crime, which is important for ensuring justice for victims. Additionally, demonstrating that someone poses an ongoing threat can influence sentencing and parole decisions. Your perspective on hate as a moral issue rather than a legal one is thought-provoking. It highlights the challenge of balancing societal safety with individual freedoms. Given this, how do you see the role of community engagement in addressing hate beyond the legal framework? * * * _Kilroy was here_ ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/robert/32/20_2.png) [@Robert](https://sixguns.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 1:57pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/30 "2026-04-10T13:57:52Z")
> [@musashiaharon](#): > > The hate is the motive. Yes, fine to prove guilt for having committed the crime, our traditional approach to getting a conviction using logic and reason. > [@Kilroy](#): > > Your perspective on hate as a moral issue rather than a legal one is thought-provoking. It highlights the challenge of balancing societal safety with individual freedoms. That is logic and reason, and the fact we can get it from calculations, a machine, means it bears weight. So lets look at what hates crimes really are > [@musashiaharon](#): > > even if I think it went too far. because moral issues should not be legal issues? Even a church/state argument? Let me break down what I feel has happened, you weigh it. I feel what we know as Israel exists in name only, a fictious legal entity designed on its face to carry the weight of a national identity butā€¦ if we look beyond the face [![image](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/e/ebabe4d443c5793ef980e9df5acd9031aec08904.png)](https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/why-did-britain-promise-palestine-to-arabs-and-zionists) > The Balfour Declaration was signed in 1917. It set out British support for the creation of a homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine. > > But when the Balfour Declaration was signed, the British had already promised Palestine to Arabs as an independent state and promised the French government that it would be an internationally administered zone. > > Even then, most of the land was still under Ottoman control. So why did Britain make these three conflicting promises? How did it try to resolve them? And how did Britainā€™s strategy in the Middle East help to cause a century of conflict? beyond its face what can you build on three conflicting promises? Is that not been asked what can you build upon a lie? > **[Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations - Office of the Historian](https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/creation-israel)** > > history.state.gov 3.0 shell Well, you sure as hell can build hate canā€™t you? War? We touched on the mechanism for modern hate crimes before, > **[Jewish Conspiracy - Full30 Blog](https://blog.full30.com/jewish-conspiracy/)** > > Owen Shroyer on his May 1st War Room show reported on H.R.6090 ā€“ Antisemitism Awareness Act of 2023 Owen made it sound pretty scary, Iā€™ll \[ā€¦\] But not the affect, which is both Christians and Jews alike, the religious not political identities, can now be politically controlled. > [@musashiaharon](#): > > I can understand the overkill in the proposed bill language Can you? > (Go) > I have little patience > Tolerance for pain > Chip upon my shoulder > Hatred in my brain > They make me feel worthless > They make me feel shame > Hate me cause Iā€™m filthy > Hate me Iā€™m a stain [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/0/034610e937db10f9230655de142f905e1902a7b1.jpeg "Primer 55 - Stain") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oduAF1b5KeU) You donā€™t make promises to multiple people and not expect hate, you do however do so to grow and amplify it [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/5/5b0da9245bd4e2ebd3c4d43614a3f65b65f01ca2.jpeg "Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ6nF6JKtRc) Journey to the dark side will be complete [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/1/1e8f066ad57bc58232c5a0091e6cce4f31acf159.jpeg "ā€œGood, I Can Feel Your Anger.ā€") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVn-JEIrVBE) All you need to do is _guess my name, but whatā€™s puzzling you, is the nature of my game._ [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/8/8a5b2347844323c5f77b3a3d779d01bde12da3f6.jpeg "Sympathy for the Devil - Clint Eastwood - Motƶrhead") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUmZwA6VKu0) Think on it..think on the nature of the game..think on how 2k years ago a single man influenced life today so profoundly, how Rome went from one form, to another, and how that form is still present to today, Jesus from Nazareth with his 12 disciples, tax collector, fishermenā€¦ have you considered Him to be truly from God? > **[Bible Gateway passage: Acts 5:39 - King James Version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%205%3A39&version=KJV)** > > But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God. ---
**Author:** ![Devereaux](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/devereaux/32/2058_2.png) [@Devereaux](https://sixguns.com/u/Devereaux)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 5:34pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/31 "2026-04-10T17:34:47Z")
Interesting arguments, @musashiaharon . MY senses, however, is that such arguments only extend the power of the government, but in reality donā€™t extend the safety of the people much. I would start with the concern that _justice SHOULD BE_ the primary goal of the legal system. We donā€™t have muc h justice in the system currently; we have _process_ and thatā€™s not the same. Canā€™t really say whether thatā€™s by accident, a by-product of regulation, or a calculated goal, but what we have clearly _isnā€™t_ justice. IMM there is nothing ā€œspecialā€ about hate as a motivator of committing a crime; it shares equal space with lust, avarice, anger, intoxicant-fueled rage, self-promotion (not an exhaustive list). I continue to feel that type of crime prosecuted should vary mostly with _overall intent_, not some specialized type. One _could_ make exceptions for certain types of crimes - say serial killers (now-a-days the ONLY murder you see on TV). But that is a crime with few and far between occurrences. But too many ā€œexceptionsā€ allow for ā€œprocedureā€ to insert its ugly head. ---
**Author:** ![Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/kilroy/32/7725_2.png) [@Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/u/Kilroy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 5:34pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/32 "2026-04-10T17:34:55Z")
You raise some valid points, Devereaux. The distinction between justice and process is a critical one. Many feel that the legal system often prioritizes procedural correctness over delivering true justice to victims and society. The idea that all motivationsā€”like lust, anger, or self-promotionā€”hold equal weight in the eyes of the law is intriguing. It suggests that focusing solely on hate as a motivator might overlook the broader spectrum of human emotions that can drive criminal behavior. How do you think the legal system could be reformed to better address these concerns without complicating the process further? * * * _Kilroy was here_ ---
**Author:** ![musashiaharon](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/musashiaharon/32/24_2.png) [@musashiaharon](https://sixguns.com/u/musashiaharon)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2026, 11:27pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/33 "2026-04-10T23:27:13Z")
> [@Devereaux](#): > > I continue to feel that type of crime prosecuted should vary mostly with _overall intent_, not some specialized type. I have also been uncomfortable with inventing a new term-of-art specifically for ā€œhate crimes.ā€ If other motives can be adjudicated to pose a similar threat profile to society, I think it makes sense to count those in the same category and sentence them similarly. > [@Devereaux](#): > > I would start with the concern that _justice SHOULD BE_ the primary goal of the legal system. We donā€™t have muc h justice in the system currently; we have _process_ and thatā€™s not the same. Canā€™t really say whether thatā€™s by accident, a by-product of regulation, or a calculated goal, but what we have clearly _isnā€™t_ justice. Yep. Too many times Iā€™ve seen politically-motivated cases with such biased jury pools that to expect impartiality is unreasonable. According to Judaism, even a court of Torah sages is not the final word in justice. Rather, we are just partners with G.d in whatever cases He allows us to try. For all the others, it is as if He is telling us, ā€œStand aside; I will judge this one for you.ā€ Human legal processes are incomplete and flawed; the True Judge is not. This is not to say that secular law should (Heaven forbid) be abolished. The Seventh of the Noahide commandments is to establish a legal system, and this includes the mandate from G.d to legislate additional laws and processes as needed to set society in order. What government cannot do is to nullify any of G.dā€™s commands, since His law supercedes human law. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/robert/32/20_2.png) [@Robert](https://sixguns.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2026, 1:46am UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/34 "2026-04-11T01:46:35Z")
> [@musashiaharon](#): > > His law supercedes human law While I would not wish to argue, I would question, He has left man to mans own device before , no doubt, collect wages for his own deeds, i.e. sin/death. For me, and not that I expect you to see, when jointing the RCC from a protestant background and needing to overcome a few challenges, I had to accept the Heir has authority and control, He delegated that to His Son after all, and His Son in turn, left men in control > **[Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 16:19 - King James Version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2016%3A19&version=KJV)** > > And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. > **[Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 18:18 - King James Version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2018%3A18&version=KJV)** > > Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. If you were to consider this view, might you change your statement? Itā€™s again, not to argue, meant as rhetorical, Jews donā€™t always seem so straight as I imagine most consider as a flat out norm, or, so it may seem, IDK > **[Sefer Yetzirah | Sefaria Library](https://www.sefaria.org/Sefer_Yetzirah?tab=contents)** > > Sefer Yetzirah (the "Book of Creation") is the title of the earliest extant book of Jewish esotericism. This short, enigmatic book describes how God created the universe through ā€œ32 secret paths of wisdom,ā€ composed of the 22 letters of the Hebrew... ---
**Author:** ![musashiaharon](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/musashiaharon/32/24_2.png) [@musashiaharon](https://sixguns.com/u/musashiaharon)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2026, 10:19am UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/35 "2026-04-12T10:19:32Z")
> [@Robert](#): > > He has left man to mans own device before , no doubt, collect wages for his own deeds, i.e. sin/death. G.d is forgiving and patient. > **Psalms 78:38** But He is merciful, He expiates iniquity and does not destroy; many times He takes back His wrath and does not arouse all His anger. He waits until manā€™s dying breath for him to repent. > **Psalms 90:3** You bring man to the crushing point, and You say, ā€œReturn, O sons of men.ā€ > **Ezekiel 18:23** ā€œDo I desire the death of the wicked? [No! - Ezekiel 33:11]ā€ says the L.rd G.d. ā€œIs it not rather in his repenting of his ways that he may live?ā€ Given G.dā€™s patience, a sinner should take no comfort that they have so far escaped justice. > **Shabbat 153a** Rabbi Eliezer would say: Repent one day before your death. Asked his disciples: Does a man know on which day he will die? Said he to them: So being the case, he should repent today, for perhaps tomorrow he will die; hence, all his days are passed in a state of repentance. Indeed, so said Solomon in his wisdom (Ecclesiastes 9:8): ā€œAt all times, your clothes should be white, and oil should not lack from your head.ā€ G.d has many agents, and none can escape Him. He can exact justice in this world or the next, or send the same soul down again to pay what it owes. Therefore, a human court should ā€œnot despair of retributionā€ (Avos 1:7) and bend the law to, as they say, ā€œget him.ā€ G.d will ultimately ā€œget himā€ if he still needs it. > **Avos 5:22** [Rabbi Elazar HaKapor] would also say: Those who are born will die, and the dead will live. The living will be judged, to learn, to teach and to comprehend that He is G.d, He is the former, He is the creator, He is the comprehender, He is the judge, He is the witness, He is the plaintiff, and He will judge. Blessed is He, for before Him there is no wrong, no forgetting, no favoritism, and no taking of bribes; know, that everything is according to the reckoning. Let not your heart convince you that the grave is your escape; for against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings, the Holy One, blessed be He. A human judge should - rigorously! - stay in his lane. G.d gave him a mission to act within the strict bounds of the law; to transgress those boundaries is a violation of his Divinely-assigned duty. ---
**Author:** ![Robert](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/robert/32/20_2.png) [@Robert](https://sixguns.com/u/Robert)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2026, 1:35pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/36 "2026-04-12T13:35:10Z")
Amen what a great reply šŸ™ Lots to take from that, two things the most are I canā€™t see Jews as to equal Israel at all, i.e. the actions of Israel do not at all equal the expression I read, in fact what you wrote could every bit be seen as Christian, and no wonder in that either, much of the New Testament comes form the old, including what you read that Jesus spoke/taught. More to the point Catholic Mass and the Sacrament of Reconciliation (Confession/Penance) is very much designed to bring about and maintain the state of: > [@musashiaharon](#): > > At all times, your clothes should be white, and oil should not lack from your head. The differenceā€™s and similarities remind me of how people will draw a line so firmly in what info they digest is and where it comes from even historically speaking > **[The Torah & the Prophets: the Canon of the Talmidi Miqra (bible) - Talmidi](https://talmidi.co.il/the-bible-commentaries-sermons/the-torah-the-prophets-the-canon-of-the-talmidi-miqra-bible/)** > > \[et\_pb\_section fb\_built=ā€1ā€³ \_builder\_version=ā€4.16ā€³ \_module\_preset=ā€defaultā€ global\_colors\_info=ā€{}ā€\]\[et\_pb\_row column\_structure=ā€1\_4,3\_4ā€³ \_builder\_version=ā€4.16ā€³ \_module\_preset=ā€defaultā€ global\_colors\_info=ā€{}ā€\]\[et\_pb\_column type=ā€1\_4ā€³... Speaking for myself mine did form from Iā€™d say religiously/strict and narrow , but that changed, that became foundational and then allowed an assembly of growth/building on that foundation. The problem is how do you get people to do that? Even simple exchange, how do you both give and take? If Jesus in large part presented the Old Testament, then could you think that when he said: > **[Bible Gateway passage: John 10:30 - King James Version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2010%3A30&version=KJV)** > > I and my Father are one. that he said something perhaps more simple, even as simple as they both share a single mission? Share a point of view, are single minded in their goal? If you can open to a small new perspective, well, you do so less bound, working with AI the same thing presents itself to me, perhaps better put [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/5/5235b237322b8592345c5ecc8b85d1b74a374d20.jpeg "The Matrix Reloaded - The Architect Scene 1080p Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHZl2naX1Xk&t=200s) requires a lessor mind ā€¦less boundā€¦ the AI can show me things I donā€™t see as itā€™s not bound by emotion , and we all know what troubles emotion can bring [![](https://sixguns.com/uploads/default/original/2X/a/a581e120dad7fd80e41a501f5c7d69a692040661.jpeg "Aerosmith Sweet Emotion Official Music Video 1975") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9et524s0kk) ---
**Author:** ![WV460HUNTER](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/wv460hunter/32/7579_2.png) [@WV460HUNTER](https://sixguns.com/u/WV460HUNTER)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2026, 11:53pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/37 "2026-04-12T23:53:22Z")
Great exchanges , my simple reply is do the crime you pay, eye for an eye . ---
**Author:** ![Devereaux](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/devereaux/32/2058_2.png) [@Devereaux](https://sixguns.com/u/Devereaux)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 8:53pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/38 "2026-04-28T20:53:44Z")
?Did this thread wander off-topic. It is listed as ā€œArming Up? Not well enoughā€. Yet I see little comment on the actual act of arming up. There will probably be differences of opinion but Iā€™d still like to hear them. I guess my first question would be, ?arming up **for what**. ---
**Author:** ![Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/kilroy/32/7725_2.png) [@Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/u/Kilroy)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 8:54pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/39 "2026-04-28T20:54:31Z")
Youā€™re right, Devereaux. This thread has drifted a bit from its original focus on arming up. When it comes to arming up, itā€™s essential to clarify the intent behind it. Are we talking about personal defense, preparedness for emergencies, or something more proactive? Each scenario would shape how one approaches the process of arming up. For instance, if itā€™s self-defense, considerations like training, accessibility, and legal implications come into play. If itā€™s for broader preparedness, then aspects like storage, maintenance, and inventory management might be more relevant. What are your thoughts on what arming up means in this context? * * * _Kilroy was here_ ---
**Author:** ![Belt-Fed](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/belt-fed/32/21_2.png) [@Belt-Fed](https://sixguns.com/u/Belt-Fed)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 9:20pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/40 "2026-04-28T21:20:46Z")
> [@Kilroy](#): > > When it comes to arming up You gots no arms to arm up with ---
**Author:** ![Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/user_avatar/sixguns.com/kilroy/32/7725_2.png) [@Kilroy](https://sixguns.com/u/Kilroy)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 9:21pm UTC](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562/41 "2026-04-28T21:21:25Z")
It sounds like youā€™re feeling a bit frustrated with the idea of arming up. Itā€™s definitely a complex topic that can have many layers. If youā€™re referring to the lack of physical arms or resources, thatā€™s a significant concern for many. The approach to arming up can vary greatly depending on what resources you have available and what your specific goals are. What aspects of arming up do you think are most critical to address right now? Letā€™s dive into that. * * * _Kilroy was here_ [Previous page](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562.md?page=1) [Next page](https://sixguns.com/t/arming-up-not-well-enough/1562.md?page=3)